Posted 27 December 2023

PIP Claim

Hi All

Has anyone here claimed PIP or assisted someone in claiming? Going to be assisting in completing the form, does it very much depend solely on answers given on the form? any help/info much appreciated thanks in adv.
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  1. Firefly1's avatar
    They'll say you don't qualify.

    Take it to tribunal. They'll back-date the payments to when you applied, so you can get a lump sum of several thousand pounds. They hope you will give in when they give you an initial rejection letter. You have to let them do a Mandatory Reconsideration i.e. they'll continue to reject your claim. In our case, they actually paid the lower amount of the other part of PIP that we weren't even trying to claim for at all ! Took them to tribunal before a very nice Judge who said it's up to DWP if they want to award the other segment of PIP- but you are definitely entitled to the one that they scored you zero for.

    Absolutely loads of people win at Tribunal and get what they are entitled because the DWP reject you regardless of your evidence and think you'll give up. Do not give up as Tribunal is free.

    EDIT: This is the points system used to award PIP. You know if you do or do not qualify by simply adding up what you are entitled to based on the descriptors. The tribunal will use the exact same descriptors.

    benefitsandwork.co.uk/per…tem

    It's unlikely they will base it solely on your form but invite you for an Assessment (before they reject your claim that you can appeal). Ours was a telephone one where they got absolutely loads of things factually wrong in the document they used to justify why we were not entitled to any points. (edited)
    Conkers816's avatar
    I had to take mine to a tribunal. The DWP fought it all the way and kept requesting more time to "gather more information" until the tribunal judge set them a deadline which they subsequently missed and I was given a five year award at the maximum rate.

    I'm just expecting another fight about Universal Credit at some point as my two year review was due in June this year and I haven't heard a thing yet.
  2. CremeDeMenthe's avatar
    I would also advise you request a recording of the assessment, you have to ask for this at least a few days before your assessment is due, that was the mistake I made.

    My report was full of lies and assumptions, the assessor hadn't even asked me half the things in the report but just said I could do them fine or wasn't struggling with them, so I am in the appeal process now, I just wish I had recorded it which I now realise was a rookie mistake.
  3. bigwheels's avatar
    You are now at war, plain and simple, Helped my friend claim after an ESA tribunal.
    Where we made them look like a bunch of morons ( DWP ) that is.
    Spinal damage, osteoarthritis hands, hips etc and wheelchair bound.
    Dwp found her fit for work.

    Be brutally honest with your answer and worst day conditions.
    There are loads of places with helpful info, look through the post on here. Poppy12345
    gives very insightful help and answers.
    forums.moneysavingexpert.com/cat…its

    Personally filled out 3 lots of forms in the last 10 years.
    None for 4 years as got a 10 year award last time.
    Copy Or scan every bit of paperwork you send and receive.
    Keep originals forever and ever.
    We keep 2 mobiles on standby, one to receive the call and listen on speakerphone and record with the other.
    As they lie and lie and lie.
    I read a pdf supplied to capita staff for assessment purposes.
    Can you walk from one room to another and how far is that ( question )
    Answer 12 meters.
    Pdf = 100 meters.
    Form was 10 years ago.

    Good luck, never surrender never retreat.
  4. leeanne123's avatar
    Be prepared for a lot of stress, a long wait and lots of lies.
    Gollywood's avatar
    The DWP actually hope lots of applicants that they reject will actually die before a tribunal can eventually find in their favour
  5. TristanDeCoonha's avatar
    Even booking the recording kit doesn't guarantee availability. I booked it for my assessment only to be told it was currently in use, and the choice was do the interview without, or wait for another appointment. I did it without, but I recorded it for myself anyway, screw them, I suffer memory loss. During the interview she lunged at me and grabbed my knees, which luckily were strapped and padded. My renewal was declined based on her opinion. Her whole attitude was to get the job over and to get her next commission earner through the door.
    6 weeks later a supervisor rang, asking me about the meeting as he had read the report. I told him what had happened, and I was fully reinstated with backdated money.
    You will get those who try to be fair, but as they get a bonus for every name they clear from the claiming list, you can guess the outcome
  6. Mendoza's avatar
    I’ve had it for many a year .

    when you fill it out, always word it as worse .

    for example: if the person can walk 100 yards, one day
    but then 600 yards the next .
    don’t write that, just write about the 100 yards
    MonkeysUncle's avatar
    That must be why I see so many folks park in disabled bays get out with a stick and can merrily walk a full shop lugging bags back to their car
  7. james.curry's avatar
    Search pip descriptors on Google, it wi give you a template on filling out the form.
  8. DaveG46's avatar
    Look online there's loads of community advice centres that can help you fill in forms (edited)
  9. MonkeysUncle's avatar
    Tbh I found it ok, it just takes them ages.
    If it's genuine and they need to claim you should have loads of hospital appointments, consultations, and letters of what is wrong with you.

    Don't try to fill it all it on the sheet first. Write it on blank paper so you can word it correctly.

    Just go into detail and send as much supporting evidence as you can eg. Hospital letters,Drs letters, consultations, written statements.
  10. Deleted041071960810's avatar
    As others have said - the normal advice is fill out based on a bad day.

    We applied a couple of years ago, and had no issues - quick phone consultation, followed by form filling. But then we transferred from getting DLA, and are about to be transferred to the Scottish equivalent. Got a 10 years award.
  11. chrb's avatar
    If you have never completed a form before, don't help someone complete it.

    For the best outcome, either ask the CAB, local law centre, or some GP surgeries have social prescribers that complete forms for people.

    There is an art in completing these forms. (edited)
  12. Mich8ll8's avatar
    Having hospital appointments…prescription list…medical reports helps the supporting info but what they really assess pip on is how it affects your quality of life on a daily basis and same with the mobility…that’s what they look for on the form so try to go into as much detail as possible, it is a tedious process and if they happen to refuse 1st time…make sure you write to them within 30 days for a redetermination as I know many of people who have managed to be awarded it on this and not had to go on to the appeals stage…good luck!
  13. donster's avatar
    When Iapplied for PIP, a local charity filled ithe formout for me. It was don over the phone and two copies of the form were sent to me, one to send and one to keep for reference when the PIP assessment was made. It cost about £35. It was done by Diverse Abilities a Dorset based charity. It was very helpful and made me consider aspects of my disabilty that I had not considereand would not have claimed for. I beieve it gave me enough extra points to get one level higher claim level than I otherwise would have obtained o my own.
  14. newbie68's avatar
    I agree with all that has been said (I have assisted many a claim and DLA before that - used to be part of my job).

    Reality - it's based 100% on what you say and how you say it so pick your words and phrases carefully - there is lots of advice on line as to how to word these things or, as others said - get professionals to do it.

    Lastly as mentioned above - don't get overly concerned if it's declined (there is a feeling out there that all borderline cases are declined - they know that not everyone will take it to appeal stage and/or further and this is their way of reducing numbers) - vast majority of those taken to appeals are overturned.

    Still going to say it - many of those that get it do so because they 'exaggerate'. It's up to the individual as to how much they are prepared to do this. There are of course much more obvious cases that don't need to exaggerate at all.
  15. Nikita_Percival's avatar
    I did my dads and it was a lot of paperwork but easy to fill out. Always put down there worse days not there best
  16. wayners's avatar
    Book appointment with citizens advice and they help. Only got 2 hours so write as much as you can before you go. Also they had an online form template you can fill and edit.
  17. Knill's avatar
    Spent tens of hours on hold trying to get through to PIP when they randomly stopped paying my dad, even had citizens advice helping.

    Nobody from PIP cared or helped until after he died and they even sent a payment after he died!

    Absolute joke of a system made to be as difficult as possible
  18. xyz1000's avatar
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    Thank you all for the replies and taking the time, appreciate all the info/advice
  19. choccie32's avatar
    I use a group called Fightback, they help fill forms for a fee or have lots of pre-filled forms to help. I didn’t have the energy or the pain threshold to write it myself, plus they’re disability solicitors so they can support all the way to tribunal if needed.
    I was told because I have children that I’m not ill, despite the fact I got most of my illnesses after, the excuses they give to avoid successful claims is ridiculous. A friend has severe epilepsy and they told him that seizures when eating isn’t a reason to need support (he chokes), he can cook and that falling face first into the hob (he has) isn’t a problem, and they see nothing wrong with him showering/bathing without help despite him suffering multiple injuries when someone is there. They’re beyond belief in some of their lies and ableisms. I had one telephone assessment, and they stated o could move normally and they’d seen it (edited)
  20. xyz1000's avatar
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    Can someone advise is it best completing the additional information section? If so, What should be included in this? or advisable to leave it blank?
    Paulefc's avatar
    Put in anything that hasn't been covered in the form . No matter how small it may be . Make sure all the problems and difficulties that the person is going through has been written in and leave nothing out
  21. xyz1000's avatar
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    Thanks for reply, could you expand such as? include health issues more? Eg. Mention someone else helps with shopping to ensure food is in the house as they are unable to leave the house or does this mean they are coping with the additional help?
    Paulefc's avatar
    Yes include everything . All the help they receive , because they are incapable of doing it for themselves. Put absolutely everything down you can think of
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