Is there any cordials/Squash without sweetener?

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Found 28th Mar
I miss when you could buy a bottle of dandelion and burdock, cloudy lemonade, Cherryade and it was delicious, but now you can't buy any of them because there all no added sugar and I personally want to restrict to consuming too much of it. I am not fat and now and then I want a sugar drink, but it seems like we are getting no choice anymore, here are some examples,

Vimto

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Ribena
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Lemondade Schweppes
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Dr Pepper
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It seems like the only big name left (correct me on others I'm sure there is)
is coca cola and the price has gone insane,

I remember it was five years ago a 3 Litre bottle would always be on offer for 1£, now its 1.5 Litre bottles, 2 for 2.50£, I know inflation etc., but 2.5x ... swell as coca cola upping the price because of sugar tax which is not even being imposed yet.

I am now looking into other ways of getting my sugar drinks as I think its only time till there is no options left and were just going to have to get dirty with sparkling water and oranges and a bag of sugar,


Let's look at coca cola, 1.5-litre bottle, 1.25£, in this bottle there is 162G of sugar, a 5kg bag of sugar costs £3.15, this equates the sugar to cost 10.2P. I know there is other crap in coca cola, but it's got to get things into perspective, and hopefully, people will try to opt to go buy oranges, and sugar and just make some fizzy pop

or please reply with sugary drinks that are still available not riddles with sweeteners
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I switched to iced tea as it’s like drinking old fashioned squash with lots of different flavours. You can sweeten it with a dash of lemonade if you have a sweet tooth.
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mastablasta28th Mar

I switched to iced tea as it’s like drinking old fashioned squash with l …I switched to iced tea as it’s like drinking old fashioned squash with lots of different flavours. You can sweeten it with a dash of lemonade if you have a sweet tooth.


Good shout forgot about iced tea
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You could try the brand 'Rocks', some supermarkets and also health food shops sell it.
Link to Rocks website
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PLJ is about the only thing im aware of. Its either lime or lemon flavour tesco.com/gro…048
For squash/cordials Sainsbury's own brand high juice is available without sweeteners they do orange, blackcurrant, summer fruits and apple and maybe other flavours. They also sell them as no added sugar versions so check the labels carefully. Cost £1.20 each. I found these after both Tesco and Asda change the ingredients in their ones to use Sucralose
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smargetts22 m ago

For squash/cordials Sainsbury's own brand high juice is available without …For squash/cordials Sainsbury's own brand high juice is available without sweeteners they do orange, blackcurrant, summer fruits and apple and maybe other flavours. They also sell them as no added sugar versions so check the labels carefully. Cost £1.20 each. I found these after both Tesco and Asda change the ingredients in their ones to use Sucralose


Thanks how big are the bottles?
Generally all the high juice ones tend to be sugar or naturally sweetened.
Teisseire is a bit expensive but damn nice stuff if you can get it cheap.
why without sweeteners?
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mattsk1 h, 21 m ago

why without sweeteners?


there is not one food or drink that having too much of it is not bad for you, even drinking too much water can cause issues, sweetner is no different
whelan18917 m ago

there is not one food or drink that having too much of it is not bad for …there is not one food or drink that having too much of it is not bad for you, even drinking too much water can cause issues, sweetner is no different


lol, sweeteners have been on the market and studied for over 30 years.... there is literally no evidence suggesting it is harmful in any way unless you have phenylketonuria
nhs.uk/Liv…spx

and yes water can be harmful.... but it's the dose that makes the poison.
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mattsk10 m ago

lol, sweeteners have been on the market and studied for over 30 years.... …lol, sweeteners have been on the market and studied for over 30 years.... there is literally no evidence suggesting it is harmful in any way unless you have phenylketonuriahttps://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/the-truth-about-artificial-sweeteners.aspxand yes water can be harmful.... but it's the dose that makes the poison.


Any food and and drink is harmful if you consume too much of anything, sweetener is going to be in most foods without us knowing I'd rather avoid it where I can

Drinks company's make so much more profit moving over to sweetener and they pay big money to stop or cover any articles claiming bad effects (not saying it kills people)

In my experience aswell from reading on sweeteners make me more hungry, aswell read recently it makes your taste buds less appetite to fruits and vegetables making you not like them and rather sweet things

I'm not saying there going to kill anybody but I believe just from my experience there is negative affects to consuming it all the time, whereas sugar is fine if drunk moderately (aswell as sweeteners)

Oh and to this date I find most sweetener drink vile and have funny taste although I'm sure in 5 years there be on par as they are developed
whelan18921 m ago

Any food and and drink is harmful if you consume too much of anything, …Any food and and drink is harmful if you consume too much of anything, sweetener is going to be in most foods without us knowing I'd rather avoid it where I canDrinks company's make so much more profit moving over to sweetener and they pay big money to stop or cover any articles claiming bad effects (not saying it kills people)In my experience aswell from reading on sweeteners make me more hungry, aswell read recently it makes your taste buds less appetite to fruits and vegetables making you not like them and rather sweet thingsI'm not saying there going to kill anybody but I believe just from my experience there is negative affects to consuming it all the time, whereas sugar is fine if drunk moderately (aswell as sweeteners)Oh and to this date I find most sweetener drink vile and have funny taste although I'm sure in 5 years there be on par as they are developed




1. you are presented with undeniable evidence clearly showing no harm in any way to humans when it comes to sweetener consumption
2. Drink companies paid off 99% of scientist in the world including EU scientific committeem US FDA etc? In 2017 sugar industry had 2 billion in revenue and 250 million in profits. in 2016 those profits were only 36 million (ABF 2017). Sweeteners are more expensive to produce so explain how drinks companies profit more form using sweeteners
3. in my experience as well as from reading seat belts in my car are unnecessary, vaccines cause autism, we never went to the moon....
see where I'm going with this? you need to check your sources.
4. people believe in god, magic, ghost etc... doesnt make it true. You have to provide evidence that can be reproduced and verified. Im going to repeat that again: there is no evidence suggesting sweeteners are harmful in any way to humans.

safety of artificial sweeteners are not even debatable it proven fact
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RIP Irn Bru Scotland's National Drink has been ruined by the new recipe cutting down on sugar! I may have to go onto Buckfast.

A lot of people still think sweetners are carcinogenic despite the findings that they are safe. I just don't like the taste of them.
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mattsk58 m ago

1. you are presented with undeniable evidence clearly showing no harm in …1. you are presented with undeniable evidence clearly showing no harm in any way to humans when it comes to sweetener consumption2. Drink companies paid off 99% of scientist in the world including EU scientific committeem US FDA etc? In 2017 sugar industry had 2 billion in revenue and 250 million in profits. in 2016 those profits were only 36 million (ABF 2017). Sweeteners are more expensive to produce so explain how drinks companies profit more form using sweeteners3. in my experience as well as from reading seat belts in my car are unnecessary, vaccines cause autism, we never went to the moon....see where I'm going with this? you need to check your sources.4. people believe in god, magic, ghost etc... doesnt make it true. You have to provide evidence that can be reproduced and verified. Im going to repeat that again: there is no evidence suggesting sweeteners are harmful in any way to humans.safety of artificial sweeteners are not even debatable it proven fact


On the contrary the subject is very debatable, and there is plenty of evidence to show that sweetners may be linked to metabolic disturbances, obesity, Type 2 diabetes, heart disease and strokes
Sweetners can effect levels of insulin resistance and negatively alter the gut microbiome; and indeed there are also correlations between IBD, IBS and the introduction of particular sweetners into the food chain.
What you have to remember is a lot of the scientific 'evidence' out there is funded by industry. You might be interested to know that when it comes to Aspartame for example 100% of industry funded studies find it safe. Whereas 92% of independently funded studies suggest Aspartame can have adverse health effects.
Never trust research funded by those with a vested interests in the outcome.
Certainly as someone with digestive disorders I choose, and indeed have been told to avoid artificial sweeteners.
PrincessJellybean14 m ago

On the contrary the subject is very debatable, and there is plenty of …On the contrary the subject is very debatable, and there is plenty of evidence to show that sweetners may be linked to metabolic disturbances, obesity, Type 2 diabetes, heart disease and strokesSweetners can effect levels of insulin resistance and negatively alter the gut microbiome; and indeed there are also correlations between IBD, IBS and the introduction of particular sweetners into the food chain.What you have to remember is a lot of the scientific 'evidence' out there is funded by industry. You might be interested to know that when it comes to Aspartame for example 100% of industry funded studies find it safe. Whereas 92% of independently funded studies suggest Aspartame can have adverse health effects. Never trust research funded by those with a vested interests in the outcome.Certainly as someone with digestive disorders I choose, and indeed have been told to avoid artificial sweeteners.


please show me those cherrypicked studies
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mattsk21 m ago

please show me those cherrypicked studies


Which are you interested in, I'm not going to list them all here
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mattsk1 h, 34 m ago

1. you are presented with undeniable evidence clearly showing no harm in …1. you are presented with undeniable evidence clearly showing no harm in any way to humans when it comes to sweetener consumption2. Drink companies paid off 99% of scientist in the world including EU scientific committeem US FDA etc? In 2017 sugar industry had 2 billion in revenue and 250 million in profits. in 2016 those profits were only 36 million (ABF 2017). Sweeteners are more expensive to produce so explain how drinks companies profit more form using sweeteners3. in my experience as well as from reading seat belts in my car are unnecessary, vaccines cause autism, we never went to the moon....see where I'm going with this? you need to check your sources.4. people believe in god, magic, ghost etc... doesnt make it true. You have to provide evidence that can be reproduced and verified. Im going to repeat that again: there is no evidence suggesting sweeteners are harmful in any way to humans.safety of artificial sweeteners are not even debatable it proven fact


I have not once said they are harmful, this is what studies have found so far, that sweetners will not kill you although they do come with side affects like everything does if consumed regulary

1.makes you more hungry
2. people who use sweetner will find other foods less sweet then people who do not use sweetner
3. fizzy pop drinks do not taste that great at the moment

and to go on from this you google side affects of aspartme,

  • Migraines.
  • Change in vision.
  • Nausea and vomiting.
  • Insomnia / sleep problems.
  • Abdominal and joint pains.
  • Change in heart rate.
  • Depression.
  • Memory loss.

These are course not going to be for everyone and most people will properly have none of the above, but to say there is no proof, what proof is needed?... Nobody is saying that everyone will get the above. are you going to claim anyone who gets the above suddenly when they start using sweeteners and the above stops when they stop using sweeteners, just lying? and wanting to think its the sweeter doing it...

And onto the profits part I will try to work this out as Im not sure either tbh, I will take supermarkets cost of products as I doubt its going to be different wholesale,

Coca Cola 1.25£ (2 for 2.50£) 1.5 litre - both coke and diet coke, In full sugar coke there is 162G sugar, Sugar morissons is 1£ for 2KG, so this sugar is worth 8.1P,

To get 162G of sugar as equivelant in aspartme for example, 75p for 75g (lidl price i was in there today) Which is 150 spoons,
75/150x40.5- 20.25p

So on this point I will agree with you that seems like based on supermarket prices it is more costly to use sweetners although something just sprung to mind this 10p difference is a bargain for brands because of the sugar tax, is 25p for a 1.5 litre bottles I think, so on the profits


But the reality is something you can not count for on supermarket prices is coca cola shipping millions of tonnes of products they can fit in 2-4 times more sweetner sugar equivelant then sugar, I think this is where the cost is saved and I'm sure there is plenty of other reasons they prefer to use sweetner, from future tax, to selling it to health concious people as this is where the future is going, list is endless
PrincessJellybean1 m ago

Which are you interested in, I'm not going to list them all here


please feel free. just make sure those studies are not on rats, are able to show causality and are up to date
whelan1894 m ago

I have not once said they are harmful, this is what studies have found so …I have not once said they are harmful, this is what studies have found so far, that sweetners will not kill you although they do come with side affects like everything does if consumed regulary1.makes you more hungry2. people who use sweetner will find other foods less sweet then people who do not use sweetner3. fizzy pop drinks do not taste that great at the momentand to go on from this you google side affects of aspartme, Migraines.Change in vision.Nausea and vomiting.Insomnia / sleep problems.Abdominal and joint pains.Change in heart rate.Depression.Memory loss.These are course not going to be for everyone and most people will properly have none of the above, but to say there is no proof, what proof is needed?... Nobody is saying that everyone will get the above. are you going to claim anyone who gets the above suddenly when they start using sweeteners and the above stops when they stop using sweeteners, just lying? and wanting to think its the sweeter doing it...And onto the profits part I will try to work this out as Im not sure either tbh, I will take supermarkets cost of products as I doubt its going to be different wholesale, Coca Cola 1.25£ (2 for 2.50£) 1.5 litre - both coke and diet coke, In full sugar coke there is 162G sugar, Sugar morissons is 1£ for 2KG, so this sugar is worth 8.1P, To get 162G of sugar as equivelant in aspartme for example, 75p for 75g (lidl price i was in there today) Which is 150 spoons, 75/150x40.5- 20.25pSo on this point I will agree with you that seems like based on supermarket prices it is more costly to use sweetners although something just sprung to mind this 10p difference is a bargain for brands because of the sugar tax, is 25p for a 1.5 litre bottles I think, so on the profitsBut the reality is something you can not count for on supermarket prices is coca cola shipping millions of tonnes of products they can fit in 2-4 times more sweetner sugar equivelant then sugar, I think this is where the cost is saved and I'm sure there is plenty of other reasons they prefer to use sweetner, from future tax, to selling it to health concious people as this is where the future is going, list is endless


wow you googled stuff that is not how you research stuff
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mattsk6 m ago

wow you googled stuff that is not how you research stuff


Only research you seem to have done is read articles from industry research.

best thing to do is do your own tests, I will put money on anyone doing a week of sweeter drinks vs sugary drinks will make nodifference on weight, People will offset the sweetner drinks with more food
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mattsk19 m ago

please feel free. just make sure those studies are not on rats, are able …please feel free. just make sure those studies are not on rats, are able to show causality and are up to date


Spoken like a true armchair scientist.

Sucralose affects glycemic and hormonal responses to an oral glucose load. ...Pepino,Patterson,Firman etc... 2013ish

Artificial sweeteners induce glucose intolerance by altering the gut microbiota....Suez, Korem, Zeevi.....2014

Just 2 studies to be going on with.
whelan18914 m ago

Only research you seem to have done is read articles from industry …Only research you seem to have done is read articles from industry research.best thing to do is do your own tests, I will put money on anyone doing a week of sweeter drinks vs sugary drinks will make nodifference on weight, People will offset the sweetner drinks with more food


really?
did you look at the studies? did you notice that most of the negative studies are on animals (mainly rats) which dont have correct pathways to metabolise aspartame.
ALL studies on humans show no negative effects. why is that?
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PrincessJellybean3 m ago

Spoken like a true armchair scientist.Sucralose affects glycemic and … Spoken like a true armchair scientist.Sucralose affects glycemic and hormonal responses to an oral glucose load. ...Pepino,Patterson,Firman etc... 2013ishArtificial sweeteners induce glucose intolerance by altering the gut microbiota....Suez, Korem, Zeevi.....2014Just 2 studies to be going on with.


I think anybody who wines of having issues after using sweetner then magically dissapearing after stopping are just be drama queens and lying as there has been studies paid by coca cola saying they are safe and have no affects haha.

I use sweetner now and then in somethings but overall would like to try avoid it as much as possible but seems like in the shops nowadays we have no choice anymore, looks like I might have to buy a 30kg bag of sugar and make my own crap
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mattsk4 m ago

really?did you look at the studies? did you notice that most of the …really?did you look at the studies? did you notice that most of the negative studies are on animals (mainly rats) which dont have correct pathways to metabolise aspartame.ALL studies on humans show no negative effects. why is that?


Why do we need a study to tell us the obvious, sweetners clearly give people issues, people are not lying, symptoms stop when they drop them, don't need to pay scientist to tell us that do we?
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whelan18920 m ago

Only research you seem to have done is read articles from industry …Only research you seem to have done is read articles from industry research.best thing to do is do your own tests, I will put money on anyone doing a week of sweeter drinks vs sugary drinks will make nodifference on weight, People will offset the sweetner drinks with more food


Your quite right, the body thinks it's getting sugar when it tastes the sweetness of the sweetners, and the body itself prepares for it. When it doesn't arrive, food/sugar cravings can follow.
PrincessJellybean6 m ago

Spoken like a true armchair scientist.Sucralose affects glycemic and … Spoken like a true armchair scientist.Sucralose affects glycemic and hormonal responses to an oral glucose load. ...Pepino,Patterson,Firman etc... 2013ishArtificial sweeteners induce glucose intolerance by altering the gut microbiota....Suez, Korem, Zeevi.....2014Just 2 studies to be going on with.


1st study... rats
2nd study peak insulin level was still withing healthy range therefore no clinical significance between tests. aslo self reported fasting in obese individuals? you have not worked with that group of people havent you?
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mattsk7 m ago

1st study... rats2nd study peak insulin level was still withing healthy …1st study... rats2nd study peak insulin level was still withing healthy range therefore no clinical significance between tests. aslo self reported fasting in obese individuals? you have not worked with that group of people havent you?


What are you talking about? Rats? It's a human study.
And what is "you have not worked with that group of people havent you?" Supposed to mean?
Dude your just trolling, thanks for wasting my time
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mattsk8 m ago

1st study... rats2nd study peak insulin level was still withing healthy …1st study... rats2nd study peak insulin level was still withing healthy range therefore no clinical significance between tests. aslo self reported fasting in obese individuals? you have not worked with that group of people havent you?


So your going to go with every person who claims to have affects from using sweetener is lying and making it up and this magically alternative to sugar with no calories has no side affects atall,

Imagine if they invented cake that was good for you, I would be pretty skeptical too
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dr4g0n4 m ago

Natural is always best none of this artificial crap. Aspartame gives me …Natural is always best none of this artificial crap. Aspartame gives me migranes and feel sick so I avoid it. I just drink water now. Also worth noting that some processed foods have aspartame in them too often disguised as 'phenylaline'


Naaa fam, a study paid by coca cola says there is no harm to there products, you must be lying
whelan18918 m ago

I think anybody who wines of having issues after using sweetner then …I think anybody who wines of having issues after using sweetner then magically dissapearing after stopping are just be drama queens and lying as there has been studies paid by coca cola saying they are safe and have no affects haha.I use sweetner now and then in somethings but overall would like to try avoid it as much as possible but seems like in the shops nowadays we have no choice anymore, looks like I might have to buy a 30kg bag of sugar and make my own crap


yes that is confirmation bias, also anegdotes are not evidence. its exactly the same principle as potheads claiming weed cures cancer.
whelan18916 m ago

Why do we need a study to tell us the obvious, sweetners clearly give …Why do we need a study to tell us the obvious, sweetners clearly give people issues, people are not lying, symptoms stop when they drop them, don't need to pay scientist to tell us that do we?


no they dont, that is why we have studies to confirm that using a scientific method. by your definition people who claim vaccines cause autism are also correct because they have noticed something odd?
PrincessJellybean7 m ago

What are you talking about? Rats? It's a human study.And what is "you have …What are you talking about? Rats? It's a human study.And what is "you have not worked with that group of people havent you?" Supposed to mean?Dude your just trolling, thanks for wasting my time


sorry wrong order, 2nd study is on rats/mice
whelan1898 m ago

So your going to go with every person who claims to have affects from …So your going to go with every person who claims to have affects from using sweetener is lying and making it up and this magically alternative to sugar with no calories has no side affects atall, Imagine if they invented cake that was good for you, I would be pretty skeptical too


yes exactly since studies on human subjects were conducted in randomised double blind studies many of which were crossover ones as well
M&S do sell 3 flavoured waters without sugar/sweeteners.

Lemon & Ginger - still
Apple & Elderflower - sparkling
Cucumber & ?? - spakling
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whelan18937 m ago

I think anybody who wines of having issues after using sweetner then …I think anybody who wines of having issues after using sweetner then magically dissapearing after stopping are just be drama queens and lying as there has been studies paid by coca cola saying they are safe and have no affects haha.I use sweetner now and then in somethings but overall would like to try avoid it as much as possible but seems like in the shops nowadays we have no choice anymore, looks like I might have to buy a 30kg bag of sugar and make my own crap


Ive avoided sweetners since a car accident left me with 'metabolism issues', but back in the day I used to drink large amounts of Diet Coke, I drank it for the taste rather than dieting reasons but it 'coincided' with the only time I've carried excess weight.
These days I eat a wholefoods plant based diet and avoid processed items for the most part but I do like a little bit of fizzy pop as an occasional thing. Irn Bru was my vice (lol), but I too like my sugary drinks to be sugary and avoiding sweetners has made it a no go zone.
These days if I want a fizzy drink I will pick up a Fentimans bottle of something, they are not cheap but it's a decent drink so I don't mind paying for it.
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