Parking in front of an entrance to a property

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Posted 1st Feb 2019
Hi. Can you guys help? Rule 243 of the Highway code states:
DO NOT stop or park:
  • in front of an entrance to a property

How does that translate to this parking spot: google.co.uk/map…=en

(outside 12 Hillside road, London, UB1)



Can someone untangle this for me please?
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To qualify as an entrance to a property in my understanding there has to be a dropped kerb.
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That's not a parking spot. It's disabled access. Maybe spot where bus pulls up to get wheel chair on or just needs to make sure it's clear. They can't really park up the road and walk down to get car moved if disabled but I've seen similar where kids are picked up
Edited by: "wayners" 1st Feb 2019
To qualify as an entrance to a property in my understanding there has to be a dropped kerb.
The owner of the drive away with the car sitting in it should have had the curb dropped (even it the curb isn’t high), I assume the driveway was put in place after the disabled parking spot
Not a dropped kerb so nothing that can be done really
My guess would be allocated parking spot which just happens to coincide with off road access
As others say, 'Drop kerb' is the official determinant of parking access to a property.
I think it's a way to discourage people from parking infront of your drive.
Thanks all
IamMT01/02/2019 13:35

If it was a dropped kerb, then …If it was a dropped kerb, then :https://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/201178/parking/1375/dropped_kerb_enforcement/1as it's not the driver who parked on the driveway needs to review:https://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/201152/roads_highways_and_pavements/233/dropped_kerbs/1


Wow, keeping aside the "dropped kerb" question, "You, your family and visitors to your property can park in front of the dropped kerb outside your property with your permission." is at odds with the highway code! I didn't realise it was up to the borough! I would have thought the highway code trumps the borough decisions (as they are prone to make mistakes).

Also seen this: www3.havering.gov.uk/Doc…pdf Doesn't this then render highway code 243 as pointless? They might as well say "consult relevant borough but usually you will need permission from the property owner"?
Edited by: "MadeDixonsCry" 1st Feb 2019
243 not applicable as there is no dropped kerb therefore no (legally recognised) entrance to a property.
MadeDixonsCry01/02/2019 13:50

Wow, keeping aside the "dropped kerb" question, "You, your family and …Wow, keeping aside the "dropped kerb" question, "You, your family and visitors to your property can park in front of the dropped kerb outside your property with your permission." is at odds with the highway code! I didn't realise it was up to the borough! I would have thought the highway code trumps the borough decisions (as they are prone to make mistakes).Also seen this: https://www3.havering.gov.uk/Documents/Parking-transport-and-streets/Parking/Parking dropped kerbs -DOsDONTS online version.pdf Doesn't this then render highway code 243 as pointless? They might as well say "consult relevant borough but usually you will need permission from the property owner"?



NB Rule 243 is a DO NOT as opposed to a MUST NOT
IamMT01/02/2019 13:57

NB Rule 243 is a DO NOT as opposed to a MUST NOT


Might as well also put "do not put diesel in your petrol car". Do we really need to tell people to be courteous or use common sense?
Edited by: "MadeDixonsCry" 1st Feb 2019
MadeDixonsCry11 m ago

Might as well also put "do not put diesel in your petrol car". Do we …Might as well also put "do not put diesel in your petrol car". Do we really need to tell people to be courteous or use common sense?



Yes!
The driver of the car should be using the space for the car and not a way of getting to his or her driveway.
Edited by: "daletharper" 1st Feb 2019
daletharper50 m ago

The driver of the car should be using the space for the car and not a way …The driver of the car should be using the space for the car and not a way of getting to his or her driveway.


It looks like this "driveway" does not qualify for access to the road as there is no dropped kerb
I have a dropped curb but people ignore that and just block it anyway. Most of the time its a van from the local council blocking me.
daletharper1 h, 0 m ago

The driver of the car should be using the space for the car and not a way …The driver of the car should be using the space for the car and not a way of getting to his or her driveway.


This. Surprised the council haven't dropped the kerbs already and issued them with an invoice for the works (Which is fully legal).
ohmygod200601/02/2019 15:25

I have a dropped curb but people ignore that and just block it anyway. …I have a dropped curb but people ignore that and just block it anyway. Most of the time its a van from the local council blocking me.


If I live near by I can pay those cars a visit
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You need to pay for the dropped kerb and they will move the disabled bay
I always thought parking in front of driveway with owners permission was fine but from the drive that car is blocking, it doesnt look like it's an official dropped kerb.
Edited by: "samosa" 1st Feb 2019
Does the property in question actually have disabled access permission? i.e. this disabled parking bay has been consented by the council?

In reference to parking in front of a driveway, its perfectly legal to park in front of a driveway, dropped kerb or not, if it's empty.

If there's a vehicle in the driveway its an offence to park over it, as you can't block access to the public highway.

There are variations re dropped kerb, but to my knowledge theres no ruling on the kerb having to be dropped, but most who have driveway consent do as it saves damages to your vehicle and alerts others to the driveway access.
@MadeDixonsCry you posted a link to Havering Council’s stance on parking across a driveway.
I live in Havering and I believe that because the parking department was getting so many phone calls from irate residents they couldn’t cope with the numbers and subsequently didn’t have enough parking wardens to keep up and attend the incidents. Havering Council then made the decision they will only send out a parking warden if the actual owner of the property concerned reports the matter, complete with vehicle description and number plate.
MR11232 h, 48 m ago

If I live near by I can pay those cars a visit


Hahaha thanks
Toptrumpet01/02/2019 18:35

@MadeDixonsCry you posted a link to Havering Council’s stance on parking a …@MadeDixonsCry you posted a link to Havering Council’s stance on parking across a driveway. I live in Havering and I believe that because the parking department was getting so many phone calls from irate residents they couldn’t cope with the numbers and subsequently didn’t have enough parking wardens to keep up and attend the incidents. Havering Council then made the decision they will only send out a parking warden if the actual owner of the property concerned reports the matter, complete with vehicle description and number plate.


While I don't deny your belief, which council is dumb enough not to capitalise on a money -maker like this?
MadeDixonsCry11 m ago

While I don't deny your belief, which council is dumb enough not to …While I don't deny your belief, which council is dumb enough not to capitalise on a money -maker like this?


The ‘parking violation patrols’ are outsourced now and Havering Council has now joined forces with other London Boroughs to reduce costs, they think outsourcing many of their departments will save money. If you want to report a parking violation you have to email them with details in full unless you are the actual homeowner affected.
From what I see, our man Dwayne, who usually checks the yellow lines and parking tickets, covers an area about 3 miles square in a brown and yellow Drive Park van. We still have the cctv car that goes round stalking bus lay bys and that is a Havering Council Van.
Belive it or not you can park on someones drive and they can't do anything about it by law .there is also nothing to stop any one blocking your drive
Edited by: "ashmac" 1st Feb 2019
Technically the car shouldnt be going accross the path to reach the drive because the kerbs not dropped. Anyone with a disabled badge can also park in your disabled bay. So if someone parked in that disabled bay then he/she cant make them move to get back off the drive.
Also a dropped kerb legally means nothing, you can park over someones dropped kerb and theres nothing they can do, if i remember correctly you cant blocked them on the drive for emergency reasons but they cant force you to move to access the drive
That's why you get a Ford Pick Up truck and push all the tiny clown cars out of the way
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