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Hyundai i30 - 1.6CRDi - 5dr - bluetooth phone prep/voice recognition, 75+mpg, parking sensors, intelligent stop/go, cruise control, etc. - 10,000 miles pa - 24 month PCH - £460 deposit & £153 per month (£3990.74) @ CH&L

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Equivalent to £166 per month.

- 1st monthly installment - £460.47
- 23 monthly payments of £153.49.
- No admin fee.

Total payable over term £3990.74.

List price for the car is £18.5k.

Parkers values the car at £8k after 2 years and 20,000 miles on the clock - you do the maths.
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  1. ezzer72's avatar
    ChrisUK

    Terrible cars. Got one once as a courtesy car from Jaguar Land Rover, … Terrible cars. Got one once as a courtesy car from Jaguar Land Rover, took it back after 20 mins & swapped it for a half decent car whilst mine was being serviced.



    Terrible because you can't see lots of leather and wood? I expect your Jaguar or Land Rover (they don't share dealerships - have you ever been to one?) was probably in for more than a service.
  2. deleted11148's avatar

    Can you mention a few aspects where i30 was better than the bmw?


    less likely to get keyed
    you dont get bothered at dogging sites
    others might feel pity and let you out at junctions
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  3. HOTPOT's avatar
    ChrisUK

    Terrible cars. Got one once as a courtesy car from Jaguar Land Rover, … Terrible cars. Got one once as a courtesy car from Jaguar Land Rover, took it back after 20 mins & swapped it for a half decent car whilst mine was being serviced.



    They are amongst the best cars you can get, with styling better than most on the road. Reliability is better than most. I really can't take that 'story' seriously.
  4. davidbrent's avatar
    Someone certainly does NOT approve of this deal.


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  5. deleted175778's avatar
    Good price & spec, better than those crappy corsa & fiesta deals that seem to get posted all the time
  6. deleted98645's avatar
    ChrisUK

    I was in a Land Rover at the time, now got a Jaguar, not that it actually … I was in a Land Rover at the time, now got a Jaguar, not that it actually has any bearing on my post to be fair.I'll leave it there as I'm obviously causing some unrest in this thread.I'll leave with saying test drive before ordering.


    Your Profile (ChrisUK) picture looks angry or is that what you look like when you're driving?
    How the hell can you compare such diverse cars as a Hyundai and a Jaguar.
    And be so smug as to offer advice like "test drive before ordering".
    What do you think all us low scummy drivers are, stupid or something! oO

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  7. ezzer72's avatar
    Great deal, and heat added (decent motor for once, Ha!).

    But seriously, you are being a bit harsh on Hyundai residuals there Karlie. Car has a list price of £18,495, but the current official offer is £16,995.

    Parkers then lists the car at £9,810 'part exchange' at 24m/30,000m, so of course 20,000m should be a bit better again.

    Still a top deal, a C segment car at this price is awesome.
  8. ChrisUK's avatar
    ezzer72

    Terrible because you can't see lots of leather and wood? I expect your … Terrible because you can't see lots of leather and wood? I expect your Jaguar or Land Rover (they don't share dealerships - have you ever been to one?) was probably in for more than a service.



    Obviously you haven't......

    http://hatfields.co.uk

    Terrible as they wouldn't pull the skin off rice pudding, underpowered, terrible drive, uncomfortable, ugly, plastic.....
  9. ChrisUK's avatar
    ezzer72

    I'm sure there are multi franchise sites, I work at one, but the point I … I'm sure there are multi franchise sites, I work at one, but the point I was making is, where you in Jaguar for service, or Land Rover.



    I was in a Land Rover at the time, now got a Jaguar, not that it actually has any bearing on my post to be fair.

    I'll leave it there as I'm obviously causing some unrest in this thread.

    I'll leave with saying test drive before ordering.
  10. brooky_agn's avatar
    I've owned the estate version of this for over a year now. 128BHP version with Navigation and it is brilliant. I was sceptical selling my BMW 3 series for a cheap family car. I've learned to love the i30.

    The BMW was obviously nicer to drive but it was a pain in the neck. Forever stuck, completely impractical, ridiculously expensive to fix and massively over rated.
  11. monkeyhanger75's avatar
    HankMcSpank

    I can't see the appeal...with the lease it's costing you £4k & after two … I can't see the appeal...with the lease it's costing you £4k & after two years you have nothing but photos of the car. Whereas if you spent £4k on a secondhand car, you'll have something that will last you a few years afterwards.



    You could spend £4k on a second hand car. It it was a car that was originally an £18k car, you're probably talking something that is at least 6 years old, maybe 8 years old if it was a slow depreciator. The warranty will likely be long gone. It may need new tyres, new brake pads, new shocks. It will cost you a couple of MOT fees, it will likely cost more to insure (newer cars generally have better safety equipment and security to keep insurance costs down), a couple of tax discs to pay. If you're lucky, nothing unexpected will fail. Keep it 2 years and it has depreciated by a likely £1500. It probably isn't as efficient as a newer model either.

    For argument's sake lets say the costs are:

    2 x £130 tax disc for some 2009 model that didn't already have a ridiculously low CO2 rating without stop-start tech.

    2 x front tyres (at minimum, lets say some decent 16" at £60 each)

    2 x £55 MOT.

    2 x £250 extra fuel costs for having a thirstier older car.

    2 x £50 extra to insure.

    £1500 depreciation.

    You could've earned £250 leaving that £4k in the bank earning interest.

    Add all that up and you're about £1150 up on this lease if nothing goes wrong. I'd rather have the newer car with the warranty and (likely) better standard tech for £675 a year more. At some point you're going to have the hassle of trying to sell an 8 or 10 year old car if you keep it only those 2 years. Add in finance cost if you don't have the £4k up front (some won't).


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  12. RuudBullit's avatar
    ezzer72

    That price is amazing! Oh, does it not come with diesel? :(Haha



    and a driver?
  13. dvdphile's avatar
    m.ad

    Love my i20, but earlier this month I had to get the heater matrix … Love my i20, but earlier this month I had to get the heater matrix replaced which only the dealer could fix as it required the dashboard to be removed. That, new front brakes and replace cracked steering column set me back £1800! Eight months out of their 5 year warranty, 50k miles


    That wouldn't be an issue with this deal!
  14. marathonic's avatar
    I'd save about £55 a month on fuel efficiency, £15 a month on tax, almost £5 a month on MOT cost (just the MOT itself, not whatever I may need to fix).

    There you go, half the monthly cost of the car is paid for. No doubt we'll get the 'buy a banger' brigade commenting soon though.
  15. ezzer72's avatar
    http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/hyundai/i30-2012/

    Fortunately, Honest John can see past the wood and leather on overpriced, terribly unreliable cars banged together by Brummies or Scousers - how utterly exotic
  16. ezzer72's avatar
    ChrisUK

    wanted to make sure people test drive this before ordering. I'd give it a … wanted to make sure people test drive this before ordering. I'd give it a 3/10.



    There you go folks, one of the World's largest corporations (who could literally buy and sell JLR) have managed a 3/10 with their best effort.

    They're that terrible, that the boss of BMW's 'M' division has recently left BMW to go and work there;

    http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/12/22/bmw-m-vp-engineering-albert-biermann-goes-hyundai/

    p.s. watch out Europe, they were already doing a pretty good job before this dude jumped on board.
  17. monkeyhanger75's avatar
    ezzer72

    There you go folks, one of the World's largest corporations (who could … There you go folks, one of the World's largest corporations (who could literally buy and sell JLR) have managed a 3/10 with their best effort.They're that terrible, that the boss of BMW's 'M' division has recently left BMW to go and work there;http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/12/22/bmw-m-vp-engineering-albert-biermann-goes-hyundai/p.s. watch out Europe, they were already doing a pretty good job before this dude jumped on board.



    You are normally looking to bash the German marques, yet seem proud you're getting a BMW high-flier. Presumably he's gone there to make Hyundai's less reliable. X)

    The Koreans do need to add some serious bhp to their range topping efforts to appeal to a wider audience with their range. I'm sure he's had a bumper pay rise to go work there. I'm sure if someone was looking to double my wage (which in his case would've already been obscene) i'd be considering jumping ship too.
  18. monkeyhanger75's avatar
    Bottom line is you won't be able to run this car, brand new for 2 years at a lower cost than this deal. Gotta be hot for that, whether you'd drive this car or not.
  19. bonzobanana's avatar
    monkeyhanger75

    It's not only about reliability, if you value power, refinement, comfort … It's not only about reliability, if you value power, refinement, comfort and decent residuals (ok, not so much residuals with a Jag as say an Audi) then you will be looking further afield than Hyundai's best.Basic cars have less (especially electrics and electronics) to go wrong on them - doesn't make them particularly attractive to drive to the majority. Many reliability surveys are littered with very basic superminis towards the top of the table, even cars like the Vauxhall Agila and Citroen C2, from marques most would consider to have poor reliability.



    I don't think that is particularly fair. It's clear the french reliability rating is probably in no small part due to the fact they mainly sell smaller, simpler cars in greater numbers and the same could be said of Fiat.

    However the japanese do many complicated cars including large 4WD models packed with the latest tech. Then there is Lexus. These cars still score very highly for reliability.

    Jaguar's don't score as highly as BMW but there is only a tiny difference and they score much better than Mercedes and Audi but all of these brands are approximately 2x worse than the average car. Honda's are about 5x as reliable as these brands and Toyota 3x. That's a huge difference. Totally accept reliability isn't everything though but its not unimportant either. An unreliable car can be major hassle, health damaging and a financial burden.
  20. deleted656528's avatar
    Billythebubble

    Seems a fair price, no maintenance and tyres included for that price?



    Yes it is, also includes insurance, fuel, weekly valets and a house with a drive to park it on.
  21. karlie88's avatar
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    charliemike

    OP: I think you'll find it's "you do the math".



    25870240-BUd1Q

  22. karlie88's avatar
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    CallMeCrazy

    I just wish they still made the coupe, I love mine, drives so smoothly … I just wish they still made the coupe, I love mine, drives so smoothly (though it does lack downforce for high speed cornering).



    An aftermarket spoiler would be a good investment for you then:

    25870569-PhKgk

  23. deleted998536's avatar
    Late to the party (as always) but another quality deal on here by karlie88 - thanks!

    For the money, these are really great value in my opinion. If you don't yearn for super-luxurious plastics (think of what the Seat interiors are like to their Golf/Audi counterparts), then you'll be more than happy. Standard equipment is great and they're comfortable to drive.

    Most importantly, the lease term is cheaper than expected depreciation over the same time - no brainer!

    Maybe if we're lucky, we'll get to see some photos of happy customers receiving their new cars
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  24. karlie88's avatar
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    jcluk

    Only a "no brainer" if you were going to be daft enough to buy a new car … Only a "no brainer" if you were going to be daft enough to buy a new car surely?



    Not quite.

    There are people 'daft enough' who buy a used car that's 1-2 years old and sell on 2-3 years later.

    Someone will buy this 2 year old car with 20k miles on the clock for £11k at a dealer - add to that a horrendous APR/finance package. A further 2 years down the line, if the owner wants to sell the car then they'll be lucky to get £6k for it. So they would have been better off leasing.

    I like leasing new cars every couple of years - I can happily hit the rev limiter, accelerate heavily, drift round a corner, brake sharply, handbrake turn etc. knowing that another person will be inheriting the car.

    That's not taking into account the skin flake encrusted footwells, semen stained backseats, a few bogies on the seats' undersides and dog slob/drool in the boot.

    And yes - I like to get the full value from a leased car.

  25. ezzer72's avatar
    m.ad

    Eight months out of their 5 year warranty



    Sorry to hear, but that is almost 6 years old then...
  26. monkeyhanger75's avatar
    marathonic

    I'd save about £55 a month on fuel efficiency, £15 a month on tax, almost … I'd save about £55 a month on fuel efficiency, £15 a month on tax, almost £5 a month on MOT cost (just the MOT itself, not whatever I may need to fix).There you go, half the monthly cost of the car is paid for. No doubt we'll get the 'buy a banger' brigade commenting soon though.



    Take care with the fuel savings - all new cars with stop start tech massively overstate mpg as the EU test cycle is very far removed from real life driving. Expect to get 70% of what is stated on the combined cycle on a journey shorter than 15 miles unless you drive like a nun. This "75mpg" car will likely see you getting 50-55mpg when not on a long run. Understating CO2 and overstating mpg compared to reality does get you a cheap tax disc though.
  27. ChrisUK's avatar
    Gordinho

    I haven't got strong opinions on the deal either way so next axe to grind … I haven't got strong opinions on the deal either way so next axe to grind but can't help thinking that if you drive a recent Jag or Land Rover then you were always going to be disappointed with this. Probably not a terrible car-just a poor substitute for a luxury car.



    I wasn't being funny, wouldn't normally comment but after seeing the posts, wanted to make sure people test drive this before ordering. I'd give it a 3/10.
  28. ShamblesX's avatar
    ChrisUK

    I'd give it a 3/10.



    Check out what the rest of the world thinks, via my forum...


    i30ownersclub.com
  29. monkeyhanger75's avatar
    Shambles

    Check out what the rest of the world thinks, via my … Check out what the rest of the world thinks, via my forum...http://www.i30ownersclub.com



    Seems to be 80% people with issues, 10% news on upcoming models or updates and 10% praise. Like most car forums.
  30. xtightgitx's avatar
    ezzer72

    There you go folks, one of the World's largest corporations (who could … There you go folks, one of the World's largest corporations (who could literally buy and sell JLR) have managed a 3/10 with their best effort.They're that terrible, that the boss of BMW's 'M' division has recently left BMW to go and work there;http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/12/22/bmw-m-vp-engineering-albert-biermann-goes-hyundai/p.s. watch out Europe, they were already doing a pretty good job before this dude jumped on board.



    Quite funny how you are trumpeting a German engineer joining Hyundai whilst lambasting JLR who have a German CEO in Dr Ralph Speith, A German engineering director in Dr Wolfgang Ziebart, have their research and technologies headed up by Wolfgang Epple and have Wolfgand Stadler formerly of BMW as Executive Director of Global Manufacturing.

    As for the comments about being banged together by brummies and scousers funny how those brummies and scousers have helped turn JLR into a huge success story that exports cars to all corners of the globe and brings massive balance of payments benefits to the economy.
  31. iampav's avatar
    Stunning deal. My i30 is 6 years old, approx 75,000 miles. Still great. Really considering this, especially as looking at Diesel for my next car. Fantastic car.
  32. deleted231063's avatar
    westonborn

    Jap cars last forever and score the highest in reliability year on year, … Jap cars last forever and score the highest in reliability year on year, Honda in particular is bullet proof, a recent which poll scored them as the most reliable, however the brisitsh made versions in Swindon do rattle a lot (CRV).



    My lad is still driving my old 2002 Toyota Corolla. Has about 147k on the clock. Fuel efficiency is shot to bits and its eating batteries but it's still doing an 80 mile daily commute!
    PS - Son, if you read this, could I ask that just once before the car dies, could you not take it to the Bulgarians in Tesco's car park for a decent wash & valet?????
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  33. slex88's avatar
    I have a 2011 Hyundai i30 1.6crdi...and after 80k I can honestly say it's the most economical car I have ever owned and is built like a tank. Plus the warranty service I have always found to be fantastic.

    Very tempted by this deal....
  34. MaximusRo's avatar
    bonzobanana

    It does sound like you have a dud or a poor garage but remember … It does sound like you have a dud or a poor garage but remember reliability ratings are based on how common a car has faults and its all down to probabilities whether you get such a car. Maybe 4 Honda's in a 100 have problems but for BMW that may be 20 out of a 100 and Hyundai's 7 out of 100. However you'd be wise to also consider Hyundai has a 5 year warranty compared to only 3 years for the other 2 brands. That's 2 additional years of protection against repair costs. Also remember reliability of cars is an average of all models either for the brand or the model. A complex tuned sporty model or diesel with a turbo etc is likely to be less reliable than a basic lower capacity 4 cylinder petrol injection model without turbo.Companies like BMW are setup to make a lot more margin from aftersales too which I guess is always the case with performance cars. A solid structural car with a high quality long-life interior means a longer time period before being scrapped and in that time a large number of high margin parts will be purchased to keep more complex and less reliable engineering working. The same can be said of most performance models in any brand range, it's a huge bonus for the manufacturer as additional high margin parts need to be regularly purchased.


    Car parts for german cars are cheaper than car parts for french or Honda, I owned both and looked at a few statistics and also was able to see for myself.

    Also, german cars have longer service intervals (sometimes double or triple compared to french and japanese) which also saves you time and money.

    Also, a lot of german cars have timing chains (maintainence free) or high interval timing belt changes. My Passat needed a change at 90k or 120k, while Renault needed a new one every 60k...

    Also, fuel efficiency is surprisingly better in a heavy powerful BMW compared to lower powered french/japanese.

    I also found the paint job standing the test of time much better on german cars.
    Lots of ways german cars save you money in the long term. Sorry, I don't want to get into a debate, I owned german, french, italian, japanese... just a few thoughts, no need to slate me as a german car lover.
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  35. karlie88's avatar
    Author
    Bikerdanny

    A good price for this car, but that Pug 208 GTI deal that you posted … A good price for this car, but that Pug 208 GTI deal that you posted Karlie was out of this world - the same miles PA and actually works out virtually the same per month - £166.



    I guess it depends on your needs.

    That was a fun hot hatch with a lot of tech, leather seats, but not very family friendly and £11 more per month.

    This car has far better fuel economy, 5 doors, bigger boot, will have a cheaper service, won't chew its tyres and cheaper to insure - but it ain't got 200bhp.

    I'll always go for the faster car - just waiting for a lease deal on a M4 or GTR - probably will never happen, but you never know...
  36. bonzobanana's avatar
    MaximusRo

    Car parts for german cars are cheaper than car parts for french or Honda, … Car parts for german cars are cheaper than car parts for french or Honda, I owned both and looked at a few statistics and also was able to see for myself.Also, german cars have longer service intervals (sometimes double or triple compared to french and japanese) which also saves you time and money. Also, a lot of german cars have timing chains (maintainence free) or high interval timing belt changes. My Passat needed a change at 90k or 120k, while Renault needed a new one every 60k... Also, fuel efficiency is surprisingly better in a heavy powerful BMW compared to lower powered french/japanese.I also found the paint job standing the test of time much better on german cars.Lots of ways german cars save you money in the long term. Sorry, I don't want to get into a debate, I owned german, french, italian, japanese... just a few thoughts, no need to slate me as a german car lover.



    Japanese parts have always been a bit more expensive but then they aren't needed as often. It's hard to find statistics that separate part prices with labour costs but German costs (parts and labour) are very high as can easily be seen by looking at Warranty Direct figures.

    I don't believe your comment about service intervals is true but can't be bothered to research it much. A quick look at BMW shows 12 months or every 10,000 miles but Ford is 12,500 miles and that was the only 2 brands I looked at.

    As for service schedule its a minefield of different parts being replaced at different times for different engines etc even for the same brand. My car has a timing belt good for either 60,000 miles or 10 years which ever comes first but another engine in the range does have a timing chain with a longer replacement schedule.

    We can all have opinions of what we think is true but Warranty direct actually have completely unbiased information from real statistics with absolutely no bias.

    Looking at engine reliability we find both BMW and Audi have a very high percentage of engine faults close to 20% on an already poor figure for overall reliability. These aren't strong, reliable units in reality. Only Mercedes seem to have good engine statistics.

    I've owned many german made cars and you can see the general decline in German reliability and quality over the years. They have maintained technical innovation but the cars do not represent the reliability they once had going by the statistics that are available. That's just the way it is and that is not opinion that is the evidence.
  37. HOTPOT's avatar
    vulcanproject

    Price is ok, car is a bit.....dismal. If you are leasing something at … Price is ok, car is a bit.....dismal. If you are leasing something at least lease something that has some sort of inspiration when it is built. It's an adequately functioning car that feels like it aspires to do nothing else but move you between two places. Perfect for those that actually don't really care about cars I suppose being the point.



    Please, please PLEASE tell me you are joking. The style of the i30 is one of the best around.
  38. monkeyhanger75's avatar
    komi

    hello, I am new to lease contracts, can any one help me answer the … hello, I am new to lease contracts, can any one help me answer the following:Can you buy the car after the two year deal ?if so, what is the best calculator to use to find out the value ?Does this cover all maintenance inc tires and bulb, and does it cover insurance?Thanks for your help, Im thinking of selling my T180 D4D Auris 2007 and getting this.



    You probably won't be able to buy it - there may be an agreement in place that these will go back into the franchised dealership network as used stock. If there is the option to buy it will likely be quite a high price. A "fair price would be somewhere in the middle between the typical GFV you will see on a finance example to buy the car over 24 months and the used forecourt price for a 2 year old example e.g. GFV for the £18.5k car = £9k and used forecourt price = £11k then expect to pay £10k.

    Bulbs are consumables (some notable exceptions such as LED units or a Xenon bulb failing very prematurely), as are tyres (unless you have a tyre/service contract too) wiper blades and fluid top-ups, you will need to insure it yourself.

  39. deleted998536's avatar
    jcluk

    Only a "no brainer" if you were going to be daft enough to buy a new car … Only a "no brainer" if you were going to be daft enough to buy a new car surely?


    Maybe it's not for you. Walk away. Move on. Nothing to see here. Certainly not the "daft" people who buy new cars - whom without, there would be no used cars...
  40. brookysm's avatar
    HankMcSpank

    The response is in the "I own nothing once two years has passed" … The response is in the "I own nothing once two years has passed" bit....i.e. it was nothing but a fleeting moment in which those who went for it kidded themselves it was their car. It wasn't.I've owned my present car 6 years ...during that time I've only spent about £700 on it (& plus it still has worth, something I can sell) ...but sure, if you're wanting to sign up to the "you shall go to the ball, no matter how feeble your purchasing power is" party...then sure - hot deal.


    And tomorrow the bottom end bearings could fail and shove a conrod through the engine wall pretty much writing off your car!

    Not that it'll happen but leasing takes away the problem if it does with a car, what you pay is pretty much what it will cost you with exception of tyres and servicing and even that can be included.

    Bottom line is you are driving around in a 6 year+ old car and hoping something doesn't go wrong whereas you could be in a new one and not giving a monkeys if it does....
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