Toyota Corolla Hatchback 1.8 VVT-i Hybrid Icon 5dr CVT, White - £25463.22 @ Nationwide Cars

While I think EVs are the ultimate future they aren't great now primarily becuase a lot of the planet live in apartments or homes with no drives

Toyota Debt is probably primarily financed via Japan Yen denominated debt at yields of close to 0%

Also Toyota isn't series about EVs probably becuase its home turf is 99% apartments and also because eletricity in Japan is very expensive

A quick Google shows petrol is £4.45 a UK gallon so a 70mpg hybrid Costs 6.36p a mile While eletricity costs 26p a unit or 6.5p a mile so there is no fuel saving

Eletricity costs are dependant on how much power you want. Each home is charged on how much current they pull. You can opt for a 10Amp breaker a 20Amp breaker a 30Amp breaker and so on. And the bigger the circuit breaker the more expensive your fixed bill is. Also they operate at 100 volts so 10Amps means 1KW how are you going to charge an EV at 1KW minus what the home needs????

You can order a bigger breaker but then your monthly bill will be higher. Also typically the biggest AMPs you are allowed is 60A at 100 Volt = 6KW so even at the max breaker you might only be charging your car at home at 5KW rate

So while it might make sense to have an EV here it is not as obvious or clear cut in every location

Also in the UK the primary saving isn't on fuel cost but tax cost

A litre of petrol actually costs ~60p so a hybrid getting 70mpg has a fuel cost of ~3.9p a mile

While the cheapest night tariff of 7.5p and a realistic 3.5 miles per kwh = 2.2p a mile

So the fuel saving is really only 1.7p a mile

And I'm not sure that's even fair as who is to say octupus doesn't pull their 7.5p a kwh rate. Who is to say if EVs become more popular the night demand doesn't go up so the cheap rates dissappear as demand increases for night time charging

But having said this I do think the future is eletric but only once the government installs millions of 7KW chargers EVERYWHERE and people are able to charge at them for either free or 10p a unit for

Believe it or not, dealers don't have every variant of every model sat around waiting to be test driven. A little due diligence before ordering an extremely expensive vehicle is always in order.

Pretty sure they'll get an estate

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Prices are very unlikely to go down imo but rather we will see a number of years where proces don't increase

For what it's worth stock seems to be plenty I ordered a Toyota Yaris Cross and delivery was under 1 week

How much does the service normally cost?

The Yaris cross looks bigger only in size, it's actually shorter than the corolla. The cross will be one I would consider in 2-3 years time. I have normal Yaris design on order atm.

Yes, CVT

The £30k is the fifth generation hybrid, 140hp, lithium battery. Obviously this one is not.

Can’t disagree with that. Worked for them twice 

Reliable brand.

I'll stick to my ev at 150 mpg, lower fire risk, no tailpipe emissions, lower maintenance costs, easier to drive, lower emissions overall too

Is that expensive?

There is no EV Corolla to do a straight price comparison with. VW ID3 is a similar sized EV from a similar sized mainstream global manufacturer.

Looking on autotrader lowest new price is around £31,000.

That is £5,537 or 22% more. Well over 1/5th more is hardly a little extra.

Yeah 68 mpg around town is awful...

Discount of £1,514 as per the quote and the website, price includes tax and first reg fee.

Link? Never seen these under 12k

I have a T Roc and on motorway trips it is a surprisingly efficiently car getting 55-65mpg depending on the weather etc if you stick at 60-65mph

Majority of these are being used as taxis by Uber drivers

Most of the new Toyota Hybrids have switched to Li Ion batteries

The size is tiny at 0.7KWh which is about 100x smaller than the batteries in a full EV

They probably cost about $200 for Toyota to make so hopefully the new ones batteries will be cheaper to replace if necessary

Is that crickets i hear or tumble weed rolling by?

Any idea what the price is? Thanks

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I've seen speeded up videos where they record the seconds the engine is on and off and the engine is off for about 80% of the time in a typical drive. This is one of the reasons Toyota hybrids last a long time and get good efficency they literally are on 80% less of the time

Sure most of thaf 80% is when the engine would be idle or near idle so it's not super stressed but it's still lost energy

Where?

In that case by an MG4 for less than this (been a few deals around the £25k mark) and save on upfront cost and running costs!

Nope. In real world. Hybrids range from about a 10 to 15% to about 60 to 70% but percentages are misleading. After all tp argue double if for example the mog went from 40 to 60 is actually only 20 mpg more, 4mpg to 2 is double but in real world 2 miles more.

As for running in electric around time most of the time... again highly misleading

In fact lifetime use shows hybrids being slightly less (about 20% less) emissions than its petrol counterpart. Vs ev that's aboit 60 to 80% less depending how its fueled.

As for costs, maintenance is more and the car is more. So the relatively small saving on fuel is taking many many many years to claw back.

Oh and I said "almost no benefit" not no beefit. But I guess that's indicative of your attention to detail.

If evs were not in existence then your argument of some benefits (even if relatively small) are better than none from petrol. Hoeverr when the benefits of evs are a big jump relatively speaking compared to hybrids and petrol, then therea a vastly better option.

Yes 150 mpg as a year round average. In winter thar may drop to about 130/135 and in summer that may be about 160/165. But 150 as a yearly average. In real terms you're getting excited over a fee miles incentive from the 45 to 50mpg of petrol and ignoring the HUGE improvement of evs. As for a troll. Nope. Its accurate and on topic re cost savings on a money saving thread. So wrong again.

Re quoting a movie reference, I couldn't tell if you were word perfect (ie a quote) or summarising in your own words (paraphrasing) I was saying you were wrong in relation to misusing the term troll and not the movie reference itself ha ha

Wait a minute!! You have a wife?! Oh my god that poor tortured woman 😄