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Saving Ourselves from Suicide - Before and After: How to Ask for Help, Recognize Warning Signs Kindle Edition

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HELP, HOPE, AND HEALING
A caring, up-close look at suicide with Prevention and Grief in one best-selling book. Why? They relate more than you realize. Considering how loved ones would grieve might be what keeps someone here. Likewise, grief can become so intense that prevention tools are needed to keep safe those left behind. With a detailed table of contents and bulleted lists, you will use this resource again and again.

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  • ASIN ‏ : ‎ B0893PT79W
  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ AutumnBloom Press; 1st edition (19 Jun. 2020)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • File size ‏ : ‎ 4639 KB
  • Simultaneous device usage ‏ : ‎ Unlimited
  • Text-to-Speech ‏ : ‎ Enabled
  • Screen Reader ‏ : ‎ Supported
  • Enhanced typesetting ‏ : ‎ Enabled
  • X-Ray ‏ : ‎ Not Enabled
  • Word Wise ‏ : ‎ Enabled
  • Sticky notes ‏ : ‎ On Kindle Scribe
  • Print length ‏ : ‎ 300 pages

Customer reviews: 4.7 4.7 out of 5 stars 142 ratings
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Also from the Amazon page...

Pacha, an attorney with a degree and post graduate studies in psychology, public speaks about prevention and grief through her nonprofit, Nick's Network of Hope. She lost her teen son, Nick, and holds nothing back to help others.

  • SELF HELP: Reasons to stay; how to make a safety plan; yell for help and allow it; you're not a burden; people care more than you think; how to reach out when hope is lost; risk factors and warning signs with real-life examples; bullying is a reflection of them, not you; and what Nick would want you to know
  • HOW TO HELP PEOPLE STRUGGLING: Okay to ask if suicidal; listen and ask open-ended questions; don't be a cheerleader if more is needed; believe behavior more than words; and seeking professional help
  • GRIEF: Why push on; release guilt and anger; emotions of the first year; second year and beyond; grieving individually and together; new family dynamics; getting back into society; answering difficult questions; parenting surviving kids; keeping your marriage intact; what to avoid; siblings of suicide; and physical effects
  • HOW TO HELP THOSE GRIEVING: Don't avoid; listen but don't try to fix; talk about loved ones; and allow to work through birthdays and anniversaries
  • STIGMA: Why it exists; ways to reduce it, complexities of mental health; misconceptions of selfishness, cowardliness, and lack of faith; and how stigma of mental health morphs and attaches to survivors
  • HOW TO REDUCE PRESSURE: What is the pressure and ways to reduce it; and recommendations for parents and schools
  • A BETTER TOMORROW: Ways for a kinder world; how to reduce bullying; how to teach kids to live with more compassion; and how you can make a difference

All Book Sale Net Proceeds Go Toward Suicide Prevention
Book Club Discussion Questions Available on nicksnetworkofhope.org
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Mental health crisis helplines >

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  1. acb76's avatar
    Having lost my wife to suicide 18 months ago, and being the only person who could have physically saved her, it shouldn't ever be assumed that suicidal people feel isolated or that they will behave extremely abnormally. My regret (understatement) is that whilst I was fully aware of my wife's fragile mental state/anxiousness, she was also, right up to her death, a fully functioning adult, we had skied together the day before, we had a nice meal out in the evening, at no point did we argue and she knew (because we told her every day and I was always with her) both I and her families would be there for her no matter what.

    Indeed, every day I think how much my wife would be devastated at what her passing has done to myself and our families, which in itself is gut-wrenching because now I want my wife to be at peace, and I talk to her all the time about how much we all love her and that we know it was a demon that took her from us.

    Suffice to say the circumstances of my wife's death (leaving me to break down a bathroom door to find her, in a hotel room on the other side of the world, and all the associated administrative hurdles and expense of bringing her back to her home country) were totally out of keeping with the vivacious, loving and considerate girl that we all knew and loved. But, on reflection and putting myself in her shoes, and conscious of how much she would worry about trivialities, I can see how, whilst in the main appearing to be a fully functioning adult, in those final minutes a demon had taken control of all rational thought and convinced her that taking her own life was the best solution for her, me and our families.

    And everyday all I wish is that she had ever said something alarming to me, or that it would have dawned on me that suicide was genuinely a possibility, so that I could have sat her down and had a rational conversation about the implications of that. Perhaps it would have made no difference, but it is the never knowing that only makes it worse when you lose someone like this.

    What I would urge is for friends and families to share concerns. It transpired that my wife had texted a friend a week before she died in which she said that she was mentally and physically destroyed, and asked that friend to pray for her. It also transpired that just before sending that text, she'd sent another text to a professional which was full of positivity and enthusiasm for the holiday we were about to set off on. And whilst I was in no doubt as to my wife's fragility, and we discussed it loads during the holiday, to the extent that I had contacted the same professionals during our holiday to express my concerns, had I known that my wife had sent such a message to a friend (with that message being so out of character for her) perhaps I would have faced up to the possibility of suicide head-on, and had that conversation with her.

    For what it's worth dealing with the aftermath of suicide all depends on the individual. I continue to have grief counselling once a week but my wife's death has reduced me to nothing more than an existence, I want nothing other than the rest of our lives together, I want the unique and special world that her and I shared, I don't long for anyone or anything else. The only thing that keeps me alive is because I am aware that my own passing would only double the tragedy, and that potentially people might then 'blame' my wife for my own passing. So I muddle through some kind of pathetic existence, much of which is driven by trying to ensure my wife's legacy is a positive one, and a series of endless daily rituals which are all about making sure my wife knows just how much we all love her. But to be this way at 47 years old is horrific.

    So I'd always urge people to try to listen to their loved ones and, even if it seems ridiculous, to be upfront about the possibility of suicide and to try to convey the reality of the absolutely horrible consequences of suicide for those who are left behind, which might just help keep any demon at bay.
    mystogan12's avatar
    That’s a lot weighing on your soul, I’m sorry for your loss. 18 months isn’t very long and I can’t imagine what you are feeling inside… but I hope it gets better for you
  2. masaeedi's avatar
    I have found myself sometimes searching for a painless way to delete myself, not sure why. I will give this book a try.
    jimboo54's avatar
    Good luck buddy. Hope this book helps. if you're under 35, try calling Papyrus next time you feel like that 08000684141. You can email on pat@papyrus-uk.org or text on 07860039967. If you're older you can text 85258 If you're in crisis. Or if you want to start looking into things a bit more, try www.qwell.io free digital therapy services. (edited)
  3. Crossbow's avatar
    Having been there myself & seeing people close to me not making it back, this brings back very poignant memories . Please don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for the world we live in.
    I'm sure many on here who have also been through this can relate.
    Please think & pray for the millions in our nation & across the world who go through this extremely intense pain, suffering & dilemma. Many on a constant & daily basis (edited)
    MildmanneredCalvin's avatar
    Best wishes my friend. Really sorry you had to go through ultimate trauma. I fear so much for our youngest of people today. They're so fragile, and it really is near impossible to know what they're going through even if everything is seemingly OK on the surface. You have my deepest sympathies.
  4. Shez2cool's avatar
    I'm sure this book is great at helping people at a difficult stage in their life, but erm has anyone noticed a discrepancy in the title? It says before which is fine but after!? As in helping you from suicide after you're gone!!??
    Crossbow's avatar
    It's for both... before/after an attempt, & for those who are grieving the loss of a loved one by suicide - an extract...

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  5. OhTheMajesty's avatar
    Pertinent in this day and age
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    Yes Hope It Helps Someone.
  6. thehulkuk's avatar
    I'm not going into detail and I'm just pointing out regards to a quote I read but the same thoughtfulness for the family from the suicidal person but from family for the person with suicidal ideation could save them instead of adding more stress, confusion and possibly impetus in the form of guilt to the suicidal person to not do it. There is a truth here that no one faces because its like blaming and shaming of people already hurting from a loss but in its a fact that a lot of suicidal people feel isolated from family. When I mention this Im constantly rebuked. This needs addressed or suicides will go on as ever because one of the most common reasons, emptiness in isolation from loved ones support. (edited)
  7. IrishMan's avatar
    The Depression Cure: The Six-Step Programme to Beat Depression Without Drugs by Dr Steve Ilardi is an excellent book. Unfortunately I've had two friends who have die through suicide. I've read a lot about it and this is the best book I've read.
  8. TheBigShort's avatar
    50+ years of narcissistic abuse. Before I was even born, cards were dealt.

    Mental health is (1) mind and body, and (2) person and environment, yet medical professionals seek to treat them separately. This suits pharmaceutical, health care, business, those in control, society, etc.. Psychopathy, Narcissism, are in many ways evolutionary for a corrupt society, survival of the fittest (the wrong way), but not the best for a species (or planets) survival. To fix the environment, the planet, etc., one has to first fix the most mentally ill - those without empathy, those too often running the show.

    The Body Keeps The Score is an awesome book to understand the growing problems society and humans face, from childhood trauma (emotional, physical, sexual), and to understand the damage done to an individuals mind and body, the core of their being. It’s at a young age that childhood trauma might cause outcome of, (1) an Autistic c-PTSD Highly Sensitive Person or (2) a Narcissistic Evil Person. Both fail to fit in to society, the c-PTSD sufferer unable to mirror and fit in, the NPD mirroring to excess (to a fault) thus hiding their wrong doing. (edited)
  9. Caz42's avatar
    Thank you OP and to contributors of this thread who haven't judged.
  10. 123sonny123's avatar
    Sadly this is an issue that's going to get worse and worse. As society becomes more and more selfish, we end up caring less and less about others. Social relationships break down and we turn to vices and mental breakdown. It's a race to to the bottom as the rich laugh whilst the majority scrap it out.

    Bless those who give more than they take - charity workers etc.
    TheBigShort's avatar
    Yes, and at its worst, it is Cluster B Personality disorders which are self perpetuating. To Understand these disorders, means to have a grasp on psychology beyond most psychologists of today. 

    Childhood trauma (whether intentional or not) is rife, and growing. A lack of empathy is a key to success in ‘our’ world. Sadly those with empathy are at a disadvantage, whilst world is driven by ignorance & want, stupidity & greed. (edited)
  11. Tedman's avatar
    Mental health gets overlooked so easily. Help is so hard to find. Maybe this could one day help someone one day. 
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    I hope so.
  12. gaz32478's avatar
    The kind of post that could save a life. A thumbs up from me.
  13. Forgottenshopper's avatar
    Thanks Boz..
  14. xxxxbrettxxxx's avatar
    Thanks Boz
  15. Decoded's avatar
    I think mental health is turning into an epidemic. Young people have it especially hard living in a world of uncertainty and wages not keeping in line with rent/mortgages. There was none of this zero hour contract rubbish when I was young. If you are single and on low wage you have no hope of starting a new life yourself. (edited)
    frish's avatar
    If you are single and on low wage you have no hope of starting a new life yourself
    I heard similar sentiments when I was younger. It's one of the reasons I gave up instead of trying. I think it's better to encourage people to push on despite not all things being ideal.
  16. Adam's avatar
    Thanks for sharing this Boz!
  17. Steca's avatar
    Thanks
  18. apfel21's avatar
    Thanks Boz .As Crossbow says, help is hard to find..
  19. bainster1's avatar
    Been there/have struggled with it so plenty of heat from me man 🔥. Cliche probably but if it helps at least one person...
  20. frish's avatar
    Personally I think there should be more recognition that some of us simply aren't compatible and that's ok. And let's be honest, most seem to agree that everything's going downhill anyway.
  21. Proveright's avatar
    Thanks OP
  22. davidbrent's avatar
    Thanks Boz. Possibly the most darkest depressing deal title I've ever seen on here but probably the most important as well.
  23. Longbrownoseface's avatar
    Good Boz!
  24. Lawes's avatar
    Thank you. Very thoughtful. I'm hoping rhia helps x
  25. 123sonny123's avatar
    Think about what her best self would want for you in your situation now? I assume she'd want you to be happy. Takes time but there will be light at the end.
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