gear changing stiff on car, what could be cause?

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Found 22nd Jan 2015
noticed over the last few days the gear stick is stiff changing into gear.

after about 15 minutes driving its as smooth as ever.

anyone any idea what the problem is?
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nnsoggy biscuit stuck between it
Maybe all the linkages need cleaning and lubricating
What car is it?
could be the linkages or may just need greasing at certain points.
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ryanmatthew524

nnsoggy biscuit stuck between it



very good, i thought u ate the biscuit after you and your mates were finished playing with it?
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kash2013

What car is it?could be the linkages or may just need greasing at certain … What car is it?could be the linkages or may just need greasing at certain points.


ding

Maybe all the linkages need cleaning and lubricating



207

if they needed greased would it not always be stiff?

checked brake fluid level and thats fine.
Could be the cold weather. The gearbox oil might change viscosity and when the temperature rises after a while it goes back to the normal.

Check your car manual to see the interval of changes / topping off.
kash2013

What car is it?could be the linkages or may just need greasing at … What car is it?could be the linkages or may just need greasing at certain points.

ding

Maybe all the linkages need cleaning and lubricating

the movement and any heat from the engine might be enough to free it up a bit, how would your brake fluid affect your gears. .....?oO
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ding

the movement and any heat from the engine might be enough to free it up a … the movement and any heat from the engine might be enough to free it up a bit, how would your brake fluid affect your gears. .....?oO



i just read on another forum to check that as the clutch and gearbox apparently take oil from that area. i am not car clued but im also not daft enough to take this into a peugeot dealer and be bent over.
rjmjnlcfm

i just read on another forum to check that as the clutch and gearbox … i just read on another forum to check that as the clutch and gearbox apparently take oil from that area. i am not car clued but im also not daft enough to take this into a peugeot dealer and be bent over.



I dont know what youve been reading, but ive never know a car to take brake fluid to the clutch or gearbox.
ding

the movement and any heat from the engine might be enough to free it up a … the movement and any heat from the engine might be enough to free it up a bit, how would your brake fluid affect your gears. .....?oO



actually possible on thsi car ...

IIRC on 207 clutch is hydraulic and takes fluid from brake fluid reservoir - so it could be possible! low fluid level could allow air into clutch hydraulic system causing incomplete clutch disengagement.

However I would suspect degraded oil in the gearbox. How many miles / how old is car OP?

EliTom
No it's as already stated "the cold" that's all it is.
rjmjnlcfm

very good, i thought u ate the biscuit after you and your mates were … very good, i thought u ate the biscuit after you and your mates were finished playing with it?



Lol I was going to post something similar and wondered if anyone would get what I meant!!
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elitom

actually possible on thsi car ...IIRC on 207 clutch is hydraulic and … actually possible on thsi car ...IIRC on 207 clutch is hydraulic and takes fluid from brake fluid reservoir - so it could be possible! low fluid level could allow air into clutch hydraulic system causing incomplete clutch disengagement.However I would suspect degraded oil in the gearbox. How many miles / how old is car OP?EliTom



its an 07 plate

33k on the clock.

i dont do much driving at all. the brake fluid looks just below the max level to me
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elitom

actually possible on thsi car ...IIRC on 207 clutch is hydraulic and … actually possible on thsi car ...IIRC on 207 clutch is hydraulic and takes fluid from brake fluid reservoir - so it could be possible! low fluid level could allow air into clutch hydraulic system causing incomplete clutch disengagement.However I would suspect degraded oil in the gearbox. How many miles / how old is car OP?EliTom



is degraded oil a big problem?
rjmjnlcfm

is degraded oil a big problem?



how old is the car / how many miles?

when was it last serviced?

EliTom
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elitom

how old is the car / how many miles?when was it last serviced?EliTom



07 Plate and 33k on clock.

ive not serviced it.....only do 2k a year.....peugeot told me wouldnt need to with that mileage but just thinking of that it sounds bad advice? lol
Should be serviced every year.
rjmjnlcfm

07 Plate and 33k on clock. ive not serviced it.....only do 2k a … 07 Plate and 33k on clock. ive not serviced it.....only do 2k a year.....peugeot told me wouldnt need to with that mileage but just thinking of that it sounds bad advice? lol



so Peugeot told you not to bother servicing it?

have you had the car from new?

EliTom
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elitom

so Peugeot told you not to bother servicing it?have you had the car from … so Peugeot told you not to bother servicing it?have you had the car from new?EliTom



bought used from peugeot dealer. was told as not going many miles wouldnt need it.
rjmjnlcfm

bought used from peugeot dealer. was told as not going many miles wouldnt … bought used from peugeot dealer. was told as not going many miles wouldnt need it.



OK - but the service interval is 20000 miles or 2 years whichever is sooner.

yes you could possible push the 2 year limit a bit but with your mileage you ceratinly could not go 10 years between services.

My advice would be if you want reliability teh get it serviced by a local independant garage if you have had the car for more than 2 years as I guess you have no idea how long ago the 20000 mile service was done.

any oil will degrade with age as well as mileage - so the oil in the gearbox will be 7 years old for sure. This means with gearbox wear and aging it will get thicker / more viscous. This will be most apparnat in cold weather - likew e have just had !!! Although this may not be critical now - it is a first indicator that the oil si getting near teh end of it's life.

Furthermore, because you have not had teh car serviced there have been no checks for leaks. Maybe you have a small leak from a driveshaft seal or similar and the gearbox oil is getting low - again thsi will give similar symptoms - but no so susceptable to temperature varitaions.

So most likely a gearbox oil issue as you say its worst when cold, and it has been extra cold of late.

two choices really - either get the gearbox oil level checked at least or better get the gearbox oil changed - or leave it and see if it gets worse - but if it does more damage to teh gearbox could eb done.

Seriously consider having a full service done !

hth

EliTom
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elitom

OK - but the service interval is 20000 miles or 2 years whichever is … OK - but the service interval is 20000 miles or 2 years whichever is sooner.yes you could possible push the 2 year limit a bit but with your mileage you ceratinly could not go 10 years between services.My advice would be if you want reliability teh get it serviced by a local independant garage if you have had the car for more than 2 years as I guess you have no idea how long ago the 20000 mile service was done.any oil will degrade with age as well as mileage - so the oil in the gearbox will be 7 years old for sure. This means with gearbox wear and aging it will get thicker / more viscous. This will be most apparnat in cold weather - likew e have just had !!! Although this may not be critical now - it is a first indicator that the oil si getting near teh end of it's life.Furthermore, because you have not had teh car serviced there have been no checks for leaks. Maybe you have a small leak from a driveshaft seal or similar and the gearbox oil is getting low - again thsi will give similar symptoms - but no so susceptable to temperature varitaions.So most likely a gearbox oil issue as you say its worst when cold, and it has been extra cold of late.two choices really - either get the gearbox oil level checked at least or better get the gearbox oil changed - or leave it and see if it gets worse - but if it does more damage to teh gearbox could eb done.Seriously consider having a full service done !hthEliTom



i am on a website called clickmechanic. i will get this service done. i bought the car at 18k and it was just serviced so i assume its about 15k late
rjmjnlcfm

i am on a website called clickmechanic. i will get this service done. i … i am on a website called clickmechanic. i will get this service done. i bought the car at 18k and it was just serviced so i assume its about 15k late



so you have not had it serviced in something like 6 years?

hmmm - best get it serviced then if you want to maintain reliability for much longer

EliTom
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elitom

so you have not had it serviced in something like 6 years?hmmm - best get … so you have not had it serviced in something like 6 years?hmmm - best get it serviced then if you want to maintain reliability for much longer ;)EliTom



aaaa

price for major service - 186.91
price to change brake discs and pads £55

fair??
rjmjnlcfm

aaaa price for major service - 186.91price to change brake discs and … aaaa price for major service - 186.91price to change brake discs and pads £55fair??



TBH a full service at Peugeot is only £195

see here

http://www.servicing.peugeot.co.uk/peugeot-service-offers/mot-and-service-offers/?campaignid=PPC_Aftersales&advertiserid=google&bannerid=peugeot_107_service&gclid=CN7HvYDqp8MCFeHHtAod9UoAHQ&match=b&kword=peugeot+107+service

I know where I woudl go

they will check and top up gearbox oil but may charge extra to replace if it needs it - but then same woudl apply to clickmechanic too

If the dealer "recommends" extra work - check teh price at clickmechanic before agreeing

EliTom

edit

looks liek teh full service at Peugeot includes new gearbox oil in the £195 charge

see whats done here

http://www.servicing.peugeot.co.uk/media/service-comparison.pdf

looks like amin dealer is the place to go after all

EliTom
Edited by: "elitom" 22nd Jan 2015
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elitom

TBH a full service at Peugeot is only £195see … TBH a full service at Peugeot is only £195see herehttp://www.servicing.peugeot.co.uk/peugeot-service-offers/mot-and-service-offers/?campaignid=PPC_Aftersales&advertiserid=google&bannerid=peugeot_107_service&gclid=CN7HvYDqp8MCFeHHtAod9UoAHQ&match=b&kword=peugeot+107+serviceI know where I woudl gothey will check and top up gearbox oil but may charge extra to replace if it needs it - but then same woudl apply to clickmechanic tooIf the dealer "recommends" extra work - check teh price at clickmechanic before agreeingEliTomeditlooks liek teh full service at Peugeot includes new gearbox oil in the £195 chargesee whats done herehttp://www.servicing.peugeot.co.uk/media/service-comparison.pdflooks like amin dealer is the place to go after all :)EliTom



Thanks

great help.

i assume if any "work" needs done they are required to tell me before doing it?

essentially i could get the service done and the work checked and done at a local garage?
rjmjnlcfm

Thanksgreat help. i assume if any "work" needs done they are required to … Thanksgreat help. i assume if any "work" needs done they are required to tell me before doing it?essentially i could get the service done and the work checked and done at a local garage?



no reason why not!

just tell the dealer you want a full service - mention the gearbox issue and ask if they change the gearbox oil

and make it clear that any extra work must be pre-authorised with you.

if any other work is needed geta quote from dealera nd then check elsewhere. then if prices are similar then get the work done by dealer - they will use genuine parts and offer a better warranty on teh work

EliTom
No chance of brake fluid effecting gears. Needs topping back up.
gcmarcal

Could be the cold weather. The gearbox oil might change viscosity and … Could be the cold weather. The gearbox oil might change viscosity and when the temperature rises after a while it goes back to the normal.Check your car manual to see the interval of changes / topping off.



This^
Our 307 has been the same the last 6 weeks or so, before then, temperatures were never really getting below 5C. Same last winter too, although it has been serviced meticulously by yours truly since, including flushing the brakes and all fluids replaced, not much of a difference this winter, so would safely assume it is temperature related.

On a side note, I would never consider taking a car to the main dealer. It's the same deal as taking your car to Kwik Fit along with a Haynes manual - find a local Pug specialist and be done with it if you don't know how to service it yourself.
looser

No chance of brake fluid effecting gears. Needs topping back up.



Read one of my earlier posts ... this is actually possible

EliTom
Lol at the idea suggestion of brake fluid being used as gearbox oil, If that was in your gearbox it would corrode all the metal and wouldn't be long before your gearbox seized up.

True that brake fluid is shared with the hydraulic clutch.

The fault is 99.9% due to the gearbox oil being cold, The viscosity changes and some gearbox oil is pants in the cold, I'd try and research the best oil for various weather conditions.

It's not a particularly hard job to do yourself, Some gearboxes don't have a dipstick as they are supposedly sealed for life but their are usually two bolts, One for draining and one for topping up, Sometimes you have to take the gearbox sump off to drain the oil, This is a good time to change the filter and clean a magnet that is often in them.

Strap the girlfriend in.
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Spoke to a garage today who said gearbox oil lasts the life of the car? Got a feeling this is total bs in order to secure a higher priced job
rjmjnlcfm

Spoke to a garage today who said gearbox oil lasts the life of the car? … Spoke to a garage today who said gearbox oil lasts the life of the car? Got a feeling this is total bs in order to secure a higher priced job



It's quite correct, generally you don't need to replace gearbox oil.
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pghstochaj

It's quite correct, generally you don't need to replace gearbox oil.



Ah this is becoming a headache lol. Quoted 60 quid to fit brakes and pads and change the oil
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