Posted 2 days ago

Bathroom fan vented in the loft

Hi. So long story short had a bathroom fan fitted today as an additional need before my Great British Insulation schemes insulation is done at a later date. The guy who came said it can't be done through the wall so fitted it through the ceiling going in the loft. I've just gone up there to have a look and he has literally put the hose and it's pointing back down in the floor boards. I'm no expert but having it open in the loft is going to cause dampness? As far as I believe it should be vented through the roof. I'm going to contact the installers to get them to sort it out, but my question is does the electrician fit it through the roof or is it some roof repair professional?
I don't want them to send the same guy as I've got no trust in him anymore not to do another bodge job.
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  1. GlitchFace's avatar
    Looks like you have easy access to the soffit, if theres enough room it might be the easiest choice.

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  2. abigsmurf's avatar
    Cowboy alert

    Pouring damp air straight into the loft isn't going to be good for the wood holding your roof up. If he's pointing it through the floorboards that's even worse, it'll rot there in record time. It needs to go out through a hole and have no kinks where water can pool up. There also needs to be a way for the condensation in the pipe to drain away otherwise half the moisture goes straight back (and damages the fan over time).
    honey6591's avatar
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    Absolutely depressing. I would have rather arranged to have the fan fitted and paid for myself had I known how awful this would be done. Now I'm left with a hole in the ceiling, an open hose in the loft and more work that needs to be done. 🤦
    I'll contact the installers tomorrow to see if they'll get it sorted. Would an electrician be able to put the vent in the roof? Any chance you know an estimated cost to get someone to get it done?
  3. Mark_Hickman's avatar
    Why cant it be done through the wall, because he couldn't be bothered with drilling the hole ?
    honey6591's avatar
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    By looking at his work now I'm 100% sure that it was his only issue.
  4. Willy_Wonka's avatar
    I have seen it before with flex/static ducting that vents to behind where the soffit boards to a house are.. I should imagine this is only done where there is no external wall. If there is an external wall then it is just lazy or there is some sort of building regulation due to proximity to next door or a window etc.

    You should really post a photo of the loft.
    honey6591's avatar
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    It is an external wall, no close proximity to anyone either . :/

    52067422-7tcBb.jpg That's where the bathroom is. Had bathroom fans in previous houses always through the wall. Not sure what the issue might be here apart from laziness? (edited)
  5. honey6591's avatar
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    Willy_Wonka's avatar
    That doesn't look fixed to the floorboards. Looks like he has left it like that because the insulation needs to be done before that can be put into position.
  6. AWard911's avatar
    Venting the bathroom extract directly into your loft is a bad move....condensation, damp, potential rot of the woodwork depending how long this goes on for.
    You might be able to get a soffit vent as someone else has mentioned and then route the flexible hose into that which would vent it to atmosphere outside the property....but that depends how much room you've got where the roof rafters extend at the external wall.
    To put an extract to an external wall from the bathroom would have meant using a diamond core bit to drill a hole all the way through....which is a lot of work and drilling dust hence why it was far, far easier to drill a hole through some plasterboard into the loft. But it's not acceptable to leave it venting into the loft.

    Where did he park his horse when he came round to fit the extractor fan?
    honey6591's avatar
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    How much would it cost to put the fan through the wall? It never even crossed my mind that it would be put through the ceiling. 😔
    Is it just me or is it really hard to find a good tradesperson. Everyone we've had in for various jobs has either bodged stuff or tried to quote an absolute fortune. 😔
    In the car park at the end of our driveway.
  7. Willy_Wonka's avatar
    Oh & the reason it vents to the loft is they don't want to pay to retile the bathroom. Which is fair enough.
    AWard911's avatar
    You wouldn't have to retile the bathroom.....a diamond core bit will cut a hole through the tiles and then the brickwork behind and go all the way through to the external wall. Then once the extractor fan is fitted in place it covers the hole edges and leaves a clean finish....a bit like the way it does if you drill a hole through the ceiling.

    The cabling could potentially have been flexible conduited inside the cavity to the fan so there would be no need to chase out the wall and it would most likely be a low voltage fan given its location in the bathroom.

    Drilling a hole through a cavity wall is a lot more time consuming than a single hole through plasterboard.....so in terms of time on the job....the ceiling option most likely took 20 mins.

    Given that you now have a hole in your ceiling the best option is to vent out via the soffit if there is room for a 4" vent. Someone else has provided a helpful picture further down the discussion which shows this type of setup. (edited)
  8. aLV426's avatar
    Yes, laziness - you also don't have to drill through the wall - it can be vented out the eves - less effort
    Willy_Wonka's avatar
    Laziness? The job isn't finished. They have just had the electrician in.
  9. Rugrats's avatar
    Should've been another hole in da wall or one less brick in da wall.

    Me thinkin, going through the roof is much worst than going through the wall, think water ingress, thermal bridging, pigeon shi ting, bird nesting, flashing and counter-flashing, Mary Poppins, ....... (edited)
    honey6591's avatar
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    I thought so too,but hearing very mixed reviews. 🤷 Just want a dry ,mould free house.
  10. great-deals's avatar
    Ironic that you have to undertake a ventilation task before you can have insulation work done!

    "In bathrooms with baths and showers, mechanical ventilation is required in the form of an extractor fan. This is because new-builds these days are built to be more airtight, so natural ventilation is much lower. The ventilation requirements for a bathroom extractor fan is 15 litres per second/ 54m3 per hour."

    There are options to venting - through a loft is a useful option if loft is used only as storage and not habitable space but must be vented through the roof via an air vent / vent tile (not open in loft space). Through the wall wouldn't be an issue from the pictures uploaded - isn't difficult but you have to core drill through your tile/brickwork / cavity which is labour intensive and not a 5 min job! Whilst i'm familiar with building work - you could ask an established handy-man to do for next to nothing where as ask a builder and its "hundreds" more... The issue perhaps is the electric supply to the unit - as its attached to the ceiling the cable will be connected in the loft to existing supply where as on the wall the cable has to go in the cavity and access is limited and more open to making a mess of the room to then make good at cost.

    Useful points made here (says toilet):
    Is it a Legal Requirement to Have an Extractor Fan in a Toilet? (atspaceltd.co.uk)
    honey6591's avatar
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    Not even a new property. Built in the 60ies, well ventilated +I keep windows open a bit pretty much all year round(airing kids rooms, bathroom and my bedroom open 24/7). But I agreed to have the fan fitted so we can get the insulation done. Apparently 10°C in the house is too cold
    I can imagine that it probably is a lot messier and a lot more time consuming to put it in the wall. And really I'm not too bothered that it is fitted through the loft, but I can't have it venting IN the loft. I'm hoping the installers will send someone round to sort it out. 🥲
  11. sr_387's avatar
    cheaper to cut soffit and vent that way forget coring holes too much work u need massive amounts of steam daily for long time to cause any problems even better you have window already for ventilation
    honey6591's avatar
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    Won't say we have massive amounts of steam, but quite a bit. The house is always cold and we each have a bath every day so can get a bit wet. But I keep the window open and remove the excess water with a Karcher after the last person has had their bath. Seems to work pretty well cos not had any black mould on the ceilings since last year and even then it was the smallest amount near shower head.
  12. Immoraliste's avatar
    We had a roofer install a vent tile above the bathrooms (done using ladders).
    The electrician then installed an in-line fan in the loft, with insulated ducting running to the vents in either bathroom, and on the other side of the fan to the connection on the roof vent tile.
  13. Bambibambo's avatar
    That is super easy for anyone with a modicum of DIY to put through the soffit board assuming you have a ladder tall enough to reach.
  14. spannerzone's avatar
    Shocking but demonstrates that generally speaker electricians make poor builders, builders make poor electricians, same for plumbers, there are of course exceptions but I'm sceptical of anyone's skills until I've seen some of their work.

    A sensible diyer can do a far better job than that idiot. Out through the soffit (like the pic above that Glitchface posted) is what I've done on the last 3 vents I fitted. Just watch out the soffit isn't made of concrete asbestos sheeting (edited)
  15. andynicol's avatar
    A ‘normal’ electrician would easily install a grill in the soffit.

    Even the one you’ve used was able to cut the hole for the fan so should have been capable of cutting the hole in the soffit.

    Has the guy actually told you he’s finished and isn’t planning on coming back to finish…?
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