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New Nissan Leaf Hatchback 110kW N-Connecta 39kWh 5dr Auto - Metallic gun metal - Woven fabric - Black

£20,400
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Fantastic price!
What car target price for this car is £26840

The 39kWh battery version has a perfectly respectable 0-62mph time of around eight seconds. Officially the range is 168 miles on a full charge, but in our Real Range testing we managed just 128 miles

The entry-level 39kWh Leaf still makes sense if you’re on a budget because it is a fairly large EV that’s reasonable to drive, well equipped, and easy to live with

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  1. fishmaster's avatar
    Two problems :

    1. Second hand market for EVs. This is where the deals are and there are cars with better battery technology and range for less than this car used and also aren't high mileage. Kona, e-Niro 64kWh for example.
    2. The battery system on this car isn't cooled. This has two problems. Excessive battery wear compared to superior competitors 1st / 2nd gen iONIQ for example which have excellent battery health at 100K miles. Successive charging on longer trips. The 2nd and/or 3rd time you charge on the longer trip the charging will throttle.
    3. I know I said 2 but look at how much these are used.

    Also use AT Price Tracker extension on Firefox browser and you'll see the pricing history on Autotrader. Just a quick example. It's it murder on the second hand market for EVs. Used is definitely where it is at.

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    Absolute destruction on the used market. If you buy new you honestly hate money. iONIQ 5 for £22K now and low mileage. Utter destruction. You are getting wrecked buying new. Stay away from new.

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    AYK's avatar
    This was really helpful thank you!
  2. ghow007's avatar
    I don’t even know why I’m replying as often this kind of comment falls on deaf ears....however…
    I’ve owned a BMW i3 now for over 6yrs. In that time maintenance has been next to nothing. Tiny service every 2yrs for about £70, change of tyres once.
    I’m on a cheap overnight leccy rate with Ocotpus which is when I charge (home 7KW ac charger installed). Costs peanuts compared to petrol/diesel.
    for the same cost of 1 litre of fuel i get around 70miles in the winter and 80 in the summer, so equivalent 315-360mpg cost-wise.
    Most of my daily journeys (95%) are around 30 miles total so I charge approx every 2-3 days.
    i have saved over £10k in 6yrs on fuel costs, insurance, tax (zero) & maintenance compared to my previous petrol car which was economical.
    You wanna travel further than the cars range & don’t want to use the charging network, then hire a car for the day(s). What you save over a year of 95% driving will far far outweigh the cost of hiring a car. I save around £2k/yr, so a car hire of £50/day if needed still leaves me way better off. I’d never go back to ICE, and the ‘you need 700 miles of range, and a full charge in under 30 mins’ brigade are extremely short sighted.
    fishmaster's avatar
    The i3 as I mentioned in another post on this deal is one of the best EV drivers cars out there. So many people love them. They can suffer catastrophic failures though in terms of drive train mounts, leading to drive train failure and the aircon compressor failing is also a truly massive repair cost. It is no surprise that a BMW has BMW repair costs. Which is why I recommend getting a 2019+ model as modifications to these critical points of failure have been made by BMW.

    r/BMWi3 has a lot of info on which models to avoid and which to buy. They say 2017 and later but some people say 2019 and later. Early cheap ones I would definitely avoid. I would also use Wisely Automotive as they are i3 specialists although they don't have m/any currently as once they get them they sell.
  3. mocmocamoc's avatar
    I have a 2018 one, got it for 10k. Nice car to drive and great if you are happy with the 120ish mile range. It works well for us
    fishmaster's avatar
    Personally I would get the Hyudai iONIQ 1st/2nd gen for around £8-9K. Premium SE spec. It has all the features of the leaf, exceptionally efficient car and superior battery technology that is actively cooled and superior charging. iONIQ uses CCS and not CHAdeMO.

    No brainer to chose the iONIQ over the Leaf. Better efficiency (better range), better charging, better battery longevity Has BLIS, Adaptive Cruise, Reversing cam. Android Auto / Apple Carplay. All the stuff you really need.

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  4. Bobef90's avatar
    Try and MG5 used. 2021. Circa 14k with 4 years warranty left. The leaf is a great car but the range is bad as is the lack of battery cooling.
    fishmaster's avatar
    So many inexpensive choices now on the used market. Look at Citroen e-C4 used prices £14K for example. Vauxhall Mokka-e is the same. Personally the iONIQ 1st/2nd gen Premium SE spec is the bargain EV for £9-10K out there. Fully loaded, all the ADAS you need. Said it all above anyway.

    BMW i3 is also cheap and an excellent drivers car, really highly rated for this. But it has BMW repair costs so really you need a 2019 and above as some of the common vastly expensive costs have been fixed on those models. Such as drive motor mount failure, drive train failure, air con failure (also very bad as it cools the battery system. If it fails it screws up the whole system at very high cost). Wisely Automotive are the i3 experts buy from them if you want one. The i3S is also very good. But you buy it for fun driving at the risk of getting totalled on repair costs.
  5. Roboto's avatar
    As someone with zero experience with EVs, does anyone know if battery degradation is a big factor in EV performance? As loads of people are suggesting to get a second hand EV instead, the last thing I want is a 6 year old car battery that can't get me past the driveway before it needs a charge again.
    Siilver's avatar
    depends on long your drive way is lol
  6. Ruffuz's avatar
    perfect!
  7. amir777's avatar
    Lots of second hand cars less than one year old for sale on auto trader with low mileage I mean electric cars because most people not happy with electric cars maybe in ten years I will buy when battery charging in 30 min fully and range minimum 700 miles
    For me not electric car now
    EQL's avatar
    You'll be waiting awhile for the 700 mile range I think. Many appreciate the lower running and maintenance costs now. Some people have been put off by FUD from some of the press. Current batteries are best fast charged from 10% to 80% as they slow at higher charges (so around 15mins for this model for this car at 110kW?).
  8. GoldSquid's avatar
    I've just bought my 3 year old ioniq from the lease company. Done 30000 miles and hope to do another 10000 . Averaging 5.1 miles per kwh year round, do well happy with it. I would never buy new at today's prices
    CrazyBob's avatar
    Mine will hit three years in a few days.
    Decided to extend the lease for another year.
    When I look at the used proces now, I must have saved a fortune in depreciation by leasing.
  9. Patsy28's avatar
    Totally agree that the used market has better deals for that money. I have just bought a Peugeot e-2008 GT, 2023 spec, 1,000 miles for £20,500. That’s almost half the list price.
    fishmaster's avatar
    Nice car. You are still going to lose a heck of a lot on that car, but it is far far better than buying new and every car depreciates. At 1000 miles it almost new. I am seeing 4,000 mile for £17,849 from Cazoo on Autotrader and the AT Price Tracker on that is 15% drop. So December 2023 it was up for £20,99, it has had a staggering 13 price drops and is now £3150 down at £17,849. So with that info I'd be haggling with Cazoo to get another few hundred quid or more off. Dunno if you can haggle with Cazoo never bought from them.

    The EV used market is a partial correction from the pandemic inflated pricing due to parts supply chain/logistic issues and also a stagnation in the general public wanting to buy them. They are an absolute no brainer if you can charge from home.
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