Yes, with one of these
You might struggle to find a cheaper laptop with a warranty, let us know if you find anything!
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Yes, with one of these
You might struggle to find a cheaper laptop with a warranty, let us know if you find anything!
Click the expired button, wait I will do it...
sold out, can this be expired
Apparently the only type of laptop certified for use on the international space station.
+1 If ever theres a thermonuclear war, afterwards all that remains will be cockroaches and thinkpads. (highfive)
Broken=no longer working, therefore cracked =/= broken. Unless you can find a better machine for less, i dont really see why you're criticising this? Personally, i'd spend a bit more and get one in better nick, and stick in a cheap SSD, BUT if someones not that fussy about the odd crack in the plastic then it is (was) a great deal.
Had a t420 for 5 years , steel hinges , windows 7 core i5 , 1366x768 unfortunately , cost £130 off eBay , mint condition , recently bought a Lenovo mini dock for it £ 15 shipped eBay , brand new , ThinkPads last FOREVER x
*Cheap laptops professionally refurbished at ITZOO Bit of glue, acrylic paint and a professional furniture repair wizard could've made it as good as new.
Great small machine for the size, only downside is the low-res screen and the lack of type-C USB/Thunderbolt 3.
I think you read it wrong - I said I would have any screen marks as grade B or C - same as I wouldn't have screen marks as grade A.
You said you would have screen marks in your post. That’s why wondered if you meant wouldn’t?
Yes, I thought that was a strange grade as well. Never bought from ITZOO but as far as I know they get good feedback. I had an X200 from SCC Trade - though I also purchased an HP Elitebook (can't remember which one) which was "0GB" (bought an SSD and new AC Adapter in preparation) - totally DOA (I'd read HUKDers saying this was pretty much a dead cert that all it needed was a new HDD/SSD) - they refused to refund me, never purchased from them since.
In the eye of the beholder - I am used to a 4th gen i3 (IIRC) with a 23XX or 24XX score, which is relatively fast - anything above 2500 is fast enough & 4000++ is blistering for me. I don't do much intensive stuff & hey if a video transcode takes an hour or 2, so be it! Edit: 3rd gen just over 2300 actually https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i3-3217U+@+1.80GHz&id=764 EDIT2: Post me a link to an 8000 for sub £400 - keen to see that baby fly! :) EDIT3: OMG - they do exist - if this place it to be believed https://godigitalwarehouse.co.uk/product/hp-15-bs158sa-core-i5-8250u-4gb-1tb-15-6-inch-windows-10-laptop/
you can use IObit Driver booster to update all your drivers at once http://www.rs.iobit.com/en/driver-booster.php? I have been using it for a number of years. I have encountered some issues with older laptops where it downloads the latest drivers but these blue screens the laptops as they are not capable of utilising the latest drivers. I also had issues with my Nvidia card 1050ti, until Nvidia finally released a version which did not blue screen my computer. Sometimes you dont want the latest driver until problems have been ironed out.
If you get the 1920 x 1080 version the screen is good - certainly for business applications. The screens are matt as they are designed for business so wont have the brightness and colour vibrancy of the reflective screens but they are good screens. They are still bright with good colours. My brightness level is set at just over 1/3 which is fine for all day use.
Windows 10 tends to install most of the drivers just fine. If you go to the Lenovo site you can search your model T450 and download some drivers manually, so I think i mainly did the Bios update and keyboard shortcuts one which shows on-screen icons when you turn on and off the caps lock etc. But yeah if you download the Lenovo software, that will also ensure you have all the drivers and softwares you need plus keep them all up to date! Lucky you on getting the internal battery version!! and the slim battery haha - jealous.
I finally got mine, so far so good. It came with the small battery and the internal one, which I prefer since I can just get a large external one later if necessary. The only thing is that the screen is not great, colors seem a bit washed out, not sure if there is an issue with mine or if that's just how they look. Mine also came with the same Win10 image as yours I think, with the Dell drivers, etc. So I want to do a format and fresh Win10 re-install for some peace of mind, is there like a drivers package that I can download or perhaps just use the Lenovo vantage software to get them easily?
Search for 04X5916 LG panel. 04X5916 is an OEM part "blessed" by Lenovo in their list of compatible parts.
The i7 in this laptop isn't far off in peformance vs the dual-core i5 or i7 laptop parts released in recent years. Aside from the graphics, the single-thread CPU performance from these old laptops vs todays laptops - genuinely, there isn't much in it. Data to back this up: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/13/kaby_lake_7700k_vs_sandy_bridge_2600k_ipc_review The Pentium N5000 you reference, on the other hand, is an entirely different beast, it is an evolution of those old Intel Atom chips first introduced in the 2007 netboooks, with atrocious single-thread performance, and I would stay away from those if you want a comfortable experience using a general purpose computer. If it is an Intel i5 or i7 laptop, even from as far back as mid-2012, personally I find they still offer good performance; I'm using a Westmere Intel i5 laptop from 2010 :-)
Exactly. The abuse these units would have take is very likely aged them far more than your typical refurb.
I got a 2nd Gen X1 Carbon for my son (with a 4th Gen i5) for less than this with no screen marks - but you have to watch out for single ones being auctioned to find one cheap and in good condition. The only downside with the 2nd Gen X1 is the screen viewing angle isn't that good, so I would imagine it's the same on this laptop. Its still a good screen clear sharp screen, but I'm so used to IPS angles these days. Other than that it was a bargain.
I think the price is reasonable if this were a grade A refurb or similar. However with the screen fault it seems false economy as looking at a screen with such bad markings will be off putting at best.The 3rd gen i7 benchmarks worse than the current gen i3's, RAM will be DDR3 over DDR4, battery will be old and not likely to hold much charge. It really would be better to pay more and get the swift at 349 (code 150-SWIFT3) https://uk-store.acer.com/swift-3-ultra-thin-sf314-52-silver 339 https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/refurbished-hp-notebook-15-bs158sa-15.6-i5-8250u-4gb-1tb-windows-10-laptop-a1-2pr32ea/version.asp 299 https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/NX.GS5EK.011-Acer-Aspire-3-A315-51-36DL_2415860.html
Exactly what I've been saying. Quite how this has over 500 heat is anyone's guess.
Wouldn't bother. £530 for just 4GB of RAM and such a low end CPU, with a poor battery to top it all off. Not too sure where the money went in this laptop (maybe the fingerprint reader broke the bank? (lol) )
'Specs are poor, but the system is good...' (lol) (lol) (lol)
May as well pay the extra £50 and get the i5-8250u: https://www.ebuyer.com/825490-lenovo-thinkpad-e580-20ks-laptop-20ks006guk And FWIW, this model is actually only £515 on eBuyer: https://www.ebuyer.com/826703-lenovo-thinkpad-e580-20ks-laptop-20ks007euk
Can RAM be upgraded to 16Gb?
Combine that with the US discount code (shock) ...
Little heads up on these, they have a well known ghosting issue on the screen. It's not permanent screen burn, but it can be a little annoying if you spend a lot of time on a particular website, or using the same program with static images on. Apart from that, they're great, but can be had for much cheaper.
actually cheaper here £299 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Refurb-Lenovo-ThinkPad-Yoga-12-Intel-Core-i5-5200U-2-2GHz-12-5-FHD-Touchscreen/372185349610?epid=16012533212&hash=item56a7f9bdea:g:FEYAAOSwkV5aT1p5
Mixed reviews here from fellow contributors. Apologies if it isnt such a bargain. I bought a Viglen Genie (£84) with an i5 processor a couple of months ago and a Lenovo T410 laptop prior to that and an Acer Chromebook(£54) in between. All could be described as old technology but are absolutely perfect. The Viglen needed a new housing and SSD. Im using the T410 (i5) now. Both machines are fast. The Chromebook is surprisingly fast but only does what it says on the packet. Im not a nuclear physicist so I dont need my machines for anything much more than browsing and keeping in touch with the world. They would never do for gaming but at least ive got my hands on some reasonable pieces of kit with i5 processors that I couldnt afford new.
I use these for work (upgrading them soon I think). The different usage modes are good but the screen is a big poor for tablet mode. It's quite a small screen and the processor struggles on excel. we have SSDs in them and well so with a HDD this would be really slow and would need an SSD fitted. From what I know from IT we have problems with them all the time.
After my last brand new Lenovo went bust on me around 6 months in and I tried to get it fixed in China to no avail, well put off this brand. Too expensive to return it to Amazon UK (from China) so left it behind.
It's a known issue apparently that can only be resolved by replacing it with a different panel, which is likely to be costly. https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-S-Series-ThinkPad-Yoga/Thinkpad-Yoga-ghosting-after-image-watermark-issue/m-p/1781257#M8817 COLD for me. Simply not worth the risk. Buy an Acer Swift 1 / 3 / 5 instead.
Would agree and add it's pretty ancient technology.
CPU has a passmark of 3812 that's faster than: I3 6006u at 3116 Slightly slower than an I5 6200u at 4009 So anyone moaning about the CPU being slow needs to think very very carefully here because it's equal to or better than ANYTHING in this price range new I pretty much guarantee that. The i5 8250u processor has a passmark of 7577 which is obviously much faster but you won't get that on anything under £500. Yes you might need a new battery but those cam be had for a small amount extra and it'd still be a cheap laptop. Up until now my youngest is gaming on a Lenovo X201 and for minecraft & roblox it's perfect ably acceptable. What people fail to realise is that CPU power has been ridiculous for a long time now and even 3/4 generation processors are still more than adequate and as I say this laptop is hugely more powerful & has better build quality than anything with A6/A8/Celeron/Pentium/Atom stuck in it
Site is offline ATM. I bought a T420 with an i7 from them a couple of years ago. Seemed fine bar a slight crack in the rear (if you 'cuse the expression), which was a little disappointing for a grade A refurb. Still working ok. Would probably buy again if looking for another solid business spec machine.
Hmm.. well spotted... that makes the whole miner script a lot more suspicious... especially how it was magically 'fixed' after it was called out on here (skeptical)
Hmm for an i5 its a great price. I know its an older model but wondering how slow is this really? Not had a chance to check out reviews or look into it any further. Anyone got one of these, whats the verdict?
Pretty blatant self-promotion - OP has only posted deals from this website. Come on OP, you've got to try better than that.
Can someone point me to where I can but ssd for this laptop please
Feel free, means I won't have to explain to you twice something which you clearly can't comprehend. Please research the following before you go to school tomorrow. May help you in life a bit more. 1 - Vested interest - Squaretrade sell warranties, read the information you're presenting to find some holes in it. You'll find many if you can manage to look. 2 - The value of data. I have data on 3.2million laptops and their failure rates. 2% failed. It must therefore be right because I posted it on the internet and gullible people will believe it. This is what you want me to believe from this survey and it's patently obvious you clearly swallowed it hook, line, sinker and idiot pills. 3 - If I'm rude I suggest you review how YOU conducted yourself within this thread prior to me even replying. 4 - It's apparent you have no attention span for reading so I'll stop there because it's probably already too wordy for you.
Yawn, please shut up now...or don't - I'm blocking you anyway because you are rude and tedious. Hope stats on 30,000 laptops is enough for you. https://www.squaretrade.com/laptop-reliability-1109/
What research do you suggest I do? Please do tell me oh wise one what you think I should do exactly to understand what I already know to be the case. The dozens of companies I've interacted with the ICT service teams of and gotten an understanding of the reliability of the hardware they are deploying? I very much doubt you have ever had any laptop hardware that continues to function is over 10 years old. As yet you've been the one starting to make the first of those claims and as yet provided no citation of the source. I've gone out of my way to find what I believe you're attributing. My job is not that I have to find something to produce, I simply have to explain how the scientific methodology is entirely wrong and that it is all based in confirmation bias to support the ends of the company that provides it. With that said you appear unable to reason out how little in the way of 'information' this squaretrade document contains. You've apparently just looked at a few graphs, drawn your conclusion and refusing to look at the information presented to work out if it's justified in it's claims. You're a marketing dream so with that I'll leave you in your bubble.
Why come to any Lenovo deals then? Is it just to write "not for me, thanks"? Sounds a tad sad and pointless to me, fella. Crack on though.
Sorry just seen this. CarbonIT
I know you don't really want a Lenovo due to the dated look you feel about it but I have a suggestion that might work. Not seen a great deal of other options, and I would not recommend a consumer grade machine. So with that budget something like the following would be my ideas. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEAP-Lenovo-Thinkpad-T450-Intel-Core-i5-5300U-5th-gen-vpro-8GB-500GB-Windows-10/302485477525?hash=item466d8a1895:g:lskAAOSwmZFZoBoZ T450, i5, vpro, 8gb ram, high res screen, dual batteries, warranty till 29th July 2018 with Lenovo should anything go wrong. No webcam or fingerprint reader on it (depending on your child that could be a good/bad thing). But it is £329 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ThinkPad-T450-240Gb-SSD-i5-5300U-8Gb-webcam-Windows-10-Pro-2-batteries/192367314584?hash=item2cc9fc4698:g:VT4AAOSwuMZZClB6 Another seller, but it's slightly better with a 240gb SSD, webcam and longer warranty for about 1 year. Only apparent down side is that it's apparently got some minor marks. Otherwise it's the same price. Add a vinyl cover for it in a design she will like or a solid colour and it turns it into a whole new machine https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RED-Vinyl-Lid-Skin-Cover-Decal-fits-IBM-Lenovo-Thinkpad-T450-Laptop-/271907795141 As just one of 1000's of options.
From which seller please?
I'll second that. Worst touchpad ever on the T440 and X240 - basically either use the TrackPoint, an external mouse or tap--to-click. I cannot believe that ever made it out of prototype stage with something so heinous.
I’ve got both the T450 (works machine) and a X240 and they’re much the same build wise. Get a 1080p screen dropped into the X240 and it’s the even better. One thing to watch is the 40 series (T440, x240 etc) have the awful all in one touchpad although it’s not difficult to change and you can get the 50 series pad for about £30 on eBay. I bought an X240 (4th gen i5, 256mb ssd and 8gb ram) from eBay for a friend with the remainder of the Lenovo on site warranty (6months) for £214 delivered last week. I really don’t understand how this has heat.
I don't think they are loud, but I don't really put them through their paces. I did have an x61 (aka: the greatest pieces of computer hardware that has ever been bestowed upon humans) and it was like a train going past. So, thanks to the wonderful docs and videos out there, changing the fan was easy... But it didn't fix the problem. So took out the logic board and reseated the CPU in fresh thermal paste, again relatively straight forward for a laptop. And that was the problem solved. So if it is far too loud that may be the problem. But bear in mind, this is info coming from 'some neckbeard fanboy on the internet who prefers a 4:3 screen and a command line full of hacky power management scripts' so y'know ymmv, caveat emptor etc etc...
Another random question, are x220s loud in 2017? i know its a gamble when buying a random refurb, but how loud are they generally like today?
Grade C. Only 4GB. No thanks. It's easy to say you can find it for only £130, but at what condition! And quite frankly the x230 is not better than the x220. Yes, the processor is marginally better, but the keyboard is atrocious!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-X230-Laptop-Window-7-i5-2-6ghz-4gb-320gb-Webcam-Bluetooth-/282691387336?epid=1104742793&hash=item41d1b83fc8:g:cwUAAOSwaPtZ3yUU :) didn't take long!
Jesus christ! Can you not use the internet? GO. TO. EBAY. AND. TYPE. IN. X230!
Had one of those for work mid-2011. Loved this laptop, really good build.The T430 which came after was a great machine too and then the T440p was chunkier and had awful mouse buttons. The T420 is more than ok to run Windows 10 on, but worth replacing harddisk with an SSD. But this price is too high, and you'll probably have to invest in a new battery :-(
If it helps, this was a really great laptop a few years back, one of Lenovo's truly golden moments. I managed to get our local school 15 of these from work, but with more RAM (8GB) and the higher resolution screen, for nothing. They're all still going strong, some 3 years later, remembering that they were over 3 years old then. It's not that you purchased a total dud, more you just overpaid. The T430 posted earlier would be a great buy. Also saw a T440 on eBay just now for £219.99. Also one for £214.99 or best offer.
Unfortunately the ask and misc sections of HUKD are pretty dead areas of the site in terms of traffic. If you're ever unsure of if something is a good deal or not the best option it to post it before you buy and see what people are saying. If it's not a good deal you'll get a pretty quick answer like you did here.
Thank you all for the responses. Seems like I have a lot to learn with buying a laptop but feel a little better educated! I did post a "help me find a refurb laptop" on here but didn't get any replies. If I can, I'll send this one back and do some research on the links kindly provided.
The other week I won on eBay a Lenovo T430 (i7, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 1600x900 screen) for £160. There are far better bargains around than this I'm afraid...
lowest spec'd model not a deal
I don't know, but I feel like this is just self-promotion...
Display 12.5" LED backlight 1366 x 768.
X220 is 2nd Gen i5 and the X230 is 3rd Gen.
Fair comments. The X220 is a (first gen) i5. I wasn't intending to say that you could necessarily get the posted X230 cheaper, rather that if you're looking for this sort of hardware, I have found newandusedlaptops4u to be a reliable source with a good range of machines :)
If you look at their site you will find that they probably are been paid to clean (info wise) them and then dispose of them. @yasirk 16GB I believe so.
The laptop on my x220 which i purchased two years ago from them was very good and is still going very strong.
Out of stock now
Good to note that at least it has R6 M340DX 2GB dedicated graphics. About 50% the power of 940MX
Yes, impressive bit of technology although higher res screens to tend to need more powerful backlight for a given brightness which is not too good for battery life. Was going to say, the yields for a 4K 15.6" screen must be awful but did the maths: that's about 282DPI which is about equal to a 5.2" phone with a 720p screen (GSMArena lets you search by DPI so about equal to this Samsung Galaxy J5). So it might be possible to cut the panels into 5.2" segments if they fail. Well, not even sure if cutting TFT is possible as I've no idea how the pixels are addressed. But it would be shame if any panels which fail go straight to the bin.
True but still amazing they put a 4k screen at 15 inches.
Well, now that Window's DPI scaling actually works quite well it's not bad, but at the default settings it's your eyes which would have to be amazing.
Wow 4K in a 15" screen amazing
The P series is the follow-up of the W workstation models: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:P_Series The currently consist of only the P50, P50s and P70 all from 2015. The P70 is the first time in ages Lenovo have released a 17" Thinkpad. All top spec with Xeon and Quadro etc. and all VERY VERY expensive. http://thinkwiki.de/P50 http://thinkwiki.de/P50s http://thinkwiki.de/P70 NBC reviews: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-P50s-20FKS00400-Notebook-Review.161463.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-P50-Workstation-Review.158713.0.html http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-P70-Workstation-Review.158308.0.html Anyway all very very expensive (did I already mention this?), and now ~2 years old.
It's, what, technically almost two business life cycles old and presumably isn't bundled with a new battery and the problem with laptops that old age isn't the CPU, which is fine, or even that the CPU has a much higher power draw than U-series ultrabook CPUs, the disadvantage with laptops of that age (assuming the vender has cleaned out the matted dust and, vastly less likely, cleaned off and applied fresh thermal paste to the CPU) that use integrated graphics is the comparatively poor performance of Intel HD Graphics 3000, though if it's mainly for office duties and won't often be used away from the desk where it lives, that probably won't matter much to the buyer. If a student looking for a laptop of this age, I would ask your relatives if they have something this old in a cupboard somewhere that they would be prepared to part with for little money, then add the cost of a new battery that holds a charge for longer than an hour or so.
To prefix this if you are getting the T430 then this advice applies, if you're getting the T431 then it doesn't at all. Best option is to keep an eye on HUKD and set up alerts for the term SSD. Price wise you're talking for a good deal on traditional 2.5inch disks of 128gb - £30 256gb - £50-55 512gb - ~£100 mark 1tb - Forget it, not currently good value for money. Those capacities being just placeholders as SSD's do tend to come in a variety of capacities around those figures. Also to add that you can get cheaper less good options and more expensive range topping ones. All depends on your needs. Windows 7 is slower on low end hardware, on the sort of options being discussed here then it's perfectly fine. With reference to 3 years for End of life, it's pretty unlikely that in most use cases that someone would not move on from this machine in that time.
Don't stick with Windows 7, it is slower, less secure and goes end of life in under 3 years. If you can get Windows 10 go for that
Great info, appreciated as looking for a new laptop and I'm on a budget, do you know how much your looking at for an SSD and where to look? Thinking of going for the last laptop in your list ( even though I prefer windows 7) Cheers
Product is simply amazing. But it can be gotten for a lot cheaper. CPU is still absolutely fine for most users, keyboard and trackpad/trackpoint are superb and built quality is awesome. I spilled a lot of water on mine and it was fine once it dried (though I accidentally melted the keyboard off) I'd recommend an SSD for everyone, 8GB of RAM if you are a tab **** and an IPS screen if you like colours. The 93Wh battery lasts all day which is pretty great.
OP = seller??
And it's sold
Wtf? Only 1 listed on eBay and you create a deal for it?
How much is another 4gb ram module for it?
No Joke. I had a wee look the other day. One of them has the "slimline keyboard". Think it has the box as well...I'll sort it out and list it on here and send you a link :)
Especially considering it's only about 1.6KG. The two negatives I can think of is the limited hinge (think it's about 120-130° vs 180° for ThinkPads), and the M.2 slot being 2242. The latter is particularly disappointing if you look at the ~60mm space: [img]http://psg.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/127891i444FB0F0D992DF65/image-size/original?v=v2&px=-1[/img] The fixed it for the G2+ but still only 2260 AFAIK. The equivalent ThinkPad would be the T440s which doesn't have a service door and bizarrely only one SoDIMM slot + 4GB soldered (the T430s had two slots). While once past 4GB it is dual-channel, the max 12GB is asymmetric dual-channel: unsure if that affects iGPU performance but I call that decision bizarre since the biggest difference between Haswell and Ivy Bridge is the iGPU but it really needs dual-channel. This is not an issue for the T440p but then it's not 1.6KG either!
Yes the E6420/30 has a plastic bottom but the rest of the laptop is a huge lump of magnesium alloy, very solid laptops. Your quite right no service hatch, remove the plastic bottom plate for full access to all components. HDD access is also separate without removing the bottom plate. Agree on the 840 G1 though, great great machine, If a little pricey for the spec. I've had one as a work laptop for the last 3yrs now, probably the best work laptop I've ever had (and I've been through a lot in the last 20yrs)
The Thinkwiki's both mention 16GB max as well. The English one without any caveats: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T420 While the German one does say that 8GB is the official, although plenty of users have successfully tried 16GB: http://thinkwiki.de/T420
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