Nice good to see it coming into price parity with amazon Germany
All M.2 SSD Discounts, Offers and Sale - June 2018
Good price I'll stick with my evos though Both because of the hassle of returning and because my use cases will never see the performance difference for £40 (26% more). For those who need it I'd highly recommend it
Another example why this community makes no sense when voting cold.
Ironically the deal for the 512GB 970 Pro I posted at the same time as this has gone hot, and that is £189, hah... as I said impossible to predict. :)
Same, some of the best deals I've got went cold, I think it's partly people vote not on the discount as they should but also on their opinion on the product, e.g. thinking this ssd is too experience so voting cold
Never try and understand the logic of voting on HUKD, it will drive you insane, just accept it for what it is a broken mess where you sometimes get to see really good deals, and other times you miss them. I would go so far as to say, I've ended up buying more products from deals that have been sub 100, than over 100, which is why my first port of call, is the new listings, not the hot ones. :)
I don’t get why this is so cold. It’s “expensive” for an ssd, but it’s cheap for a good high spec m.2 nvme ssd
No, AHCI and NVMe drives are mutually exclusive.
Hmmmm I’m completely understand what you mean. I’m sure if you did a bit of research or you could contact Samsung them selves to ask? I don’t see why it wouldn’t, would be silly not to release driver for it? But you never know?
it's an older one now, when i built the system it had a samsung SM951 m.2 drive installed using a PCIe x4 speed adapter, to give max speeds of the m.2 format right from the get go, and as you may be aware, those SM951's weren't plug and play, they were not meant for retail sale, only sony so they could keep the market by the balls drip feeding speed increases at premium upgrade costs, ASROCK stuck 2 fingers up to this and released full speed m.2 slots right away, just after this board was made, so i had to get a bios written to accommodate UEFI as a boot drive, via their support page, not sure if they have made a new one to cover NVMe as it was a few years ago i bought it now. (ASROCK Z87M OC Formula) and the newer bios on the site at the time, did not cover UEFI booting. SAmsung used to do 2 versions of these drives, AHCI and NVMe (both PCIe connection type) but as they now only do NVMe i wondered if thye'd built in dual compatibility, or as microsoft and intel wants, simply abandoned previous generation hardware
How come your systems does not support NVMe? What motherboard do you have? And I would assume so I don’t see why it wouldn’t.
What if your system will Accept PCIe m.2 drives like this, but NOT NVMe ? is this backwards compatible ?
Damn the price on these are dropping fast. Good to see and heat added. :)
Sorry my bad, I thought that price was posted! Comes to £157 if you select pay in EUROs.
Op isn't adding the delivery. Also I already posted this last week for cheaper, so this is a duplicate https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/samsung-970-evo-500gb-nvme-m2-pcie-ssd-15341-amazon-germany-dispatched-sold-by-amazon-eu-sarl-2952201
Mine comes out to £163.34?
From a manufacturers point of view placing nvme ssd drives into enterprise computers could utilise that speed. Think large databases etc on a nas being accessed from multiple locations. From a consumer point a view it lets you have a very fast drive, it's just you don't have any need for it....yet.
Thanks for your reply. What's the benefit of buying it then by paying more than a 2.5" SATA drive? and those massive theoretical speed difference, what's the point? I am just trying to understand from manufacturer's point of view and consumer's point of view.
Real life theres no difference. You won't even notice it outside of benchmarking programs.
imho best to cloud sync files you don't want to lose, because let's be honest none of us back up "enough" cloud sync + periodic backup will save you ass... it has mine many times and makes upgrading much easier. I just pop in a new drive, or completely replace my laptop and in a few hours everything is synched back up again
I now have 2.5" sata ssd, nvme m.2 ssd and sata m.2 ssd and i'll be honest I don't see the difference much. My laptop is awesome, just boot times killed by 2.5" hdd
Exactly. If I get given an NVMe disk I’m not going to complain but I’m not going to go out of my way or pay twice the price for one. The reality is, I want an SSD to replace a hard disk, any SSD is going to be faster than any hard disk and that’s all that matters (to me anyway) - and like you say, not wasting a SATA bay or slot in a laptop. Got a Dell E7440 and it takes an mSATA SSD and a hard disk together - not the same physical format but same principle, now I have mass storage and speed all in one machine which to me is near perfect.
exactly my thought, I've a 960 evo which is nvme in my desktop but my laptop I can deal with sata m.2 so that I'm not sacrificing the single 2.5" slot
Just an alternative use for these. Personally I like using them as the boot disk in my desktops as it’s one less thing hanging off the motherboard with cables, just helps with a cleaner build. Probably best new price I’ve seen for an M.2 SSD, I know it’s not NVMe/PCIe but honestly, it’s going to be fast enough.
Thanks for helping the thread
Now in stock for £163.99 next day delivery for free for prime members at Amazon!
I'm not the guy you quoted but... there's about 4/5/6/7 chinese fabs coming online over the summer (probably more). A (fairly) good source is wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants The ones in blue are "under construction/repair" (so are "future available") with a rough indication of what they make :) More fabs is obviously lower price. I'll be keeping an eye on fast nvme prices for a few months, try and catch the "pre black-friday price hitch so we can reduce to normal price" crap while it's in my favour. Price is down at £30 in 6 weeks, not bad: https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Samsung-970-EVO-V-NAND-Express/product/B07CGGP7SV I think £120 is my target. Might just grab a second hand 860/850 nvme and have done with it :)
That is an interesting take on the current pricing, how do you suppose the newer higher density 512Gbit 64 layer parts that are coming to market currently will effect the pricing then? I wonder why the 64-layer pricing won't drop, even though, Micron, Intel, Toshiba, and Samsung are now in full production and selling lord knows haw many wafers to third party SSD manufacturers, what are you thoughts on this? Do you think that the forth coming 96 layer technology, which will be coming to full fab production soon will cause a dramatic drop in price, or do you think that it will remain stagnant, and memory makers will just reap higher profits per die? I'd love to read your thoughts on the NAND market, since very few people seem to take an intrest on here.
48 layer nand will probably be completely dropped from production as Sk hynix has 72 layer nand. This is the other reason, samsung no longer has a monopoly on 3d ram, al the other nand foundries have it too. Plus with 64/72 layer nand, you can cram more capacity per die, thus cheaper ssds
Don't have a cow, man
Its more than likely that we will see prices lowering for larger ssds. That said we also can see contraints once again when the fabs either node shrink or go to a higher layer count.
could be but I wouldn't count on these dropping forever as no new GPUs are being announced "for a long time" (according to NVidia at Computex) and AMD isn't planning on releasing Vega 7nm into gaming cards for a long while too, and mining has died down, the prices of current gen GPUs has plummeted The final nail is RAM prices. As they drop, you'll see a resurgence of new PC builders and upgrades, hence a higher demand for all parts including SSDs. 300 is a pretty good all-rounder price for this drive.
Nice price. Maybe we'll see £300 soon.
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Book+2+Teardown/100364 ifixit repairability score 1/10 ouch that's the worst I've ever seen. Completely unnecessary to make your device like that. Will stick to my thinkpad thanks
I wish there was an easy way to install this into a surface book... great price
It's definitely for the PRO. This is the page for the EVO:- https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-970-EVO-V-NAND-Express/dp/B07CGJNLBB/ Doubt it's meant to be separate from the others like that, but I have seen it happen quite a lot on Amazon.
Is this price actually for the Pro, or is it for the 970 Evo? The listing title and photo are misleading, but the option presented to me for a 1TB drive at £410 is marked Evo (with Pro being available to buy on the same listing in other capacities).
Super deal. Hotttt
Good to know it has 'Fearless Performance' - as opposed to the anxious performance you get in cheaper SSDs from inferior brands.
Apologies it's the 950 Pro m.2 and 850 Pro SSD that I own and I don't notice any difference unless I run benchmarks.
Great deal. I bought one in case I ever get a computer with that slot one day. Thanks. Hot
I suppose that if you have a machine that will only take a single M2, this might interest you. For everyone else, it's going to be overkill.
True, you can also buy 21 of these for 42tb of storage...
You can buy two 10tb HDDs and a 120gb SSD for that price.
This is back in stock delivered by amazon within two days but it’s up to £211 7 left , ordered one myself as missed this and the Ebuyer deal, still think it’s a good deal at £211
Well I'm glad it's there. Since in the other eBuyer thread there was over 20 comments and not a single person mentioned it was due to a price drop. However many speculated it was a mis-price ;)
Ordered as a second drive, using intel Optane as main drive, thanks OP
Too late, it is now immortalised in a reply!
Phenomenal price. I recently bought the 970 EVO for not much less than this. Heat
No, you can't. Would have to send to Germany, which is quite easy and not that expensive. They reimburse you like 3 euros.
Can you return using. Co.uk? Interested but always like Amazon returns... 😁
Nope, the major manufacturers of nand have gone from planer nand to 3d nand and also samsung have gone from 48 layer nand to 64 ..
Wow I paid £260 for the 960 pro 500GB last year! Bargain!!
No worries I know :)
Sorry guys, but it was recommended at the start of the comments to go for next-day delivery (maybe some of you actually tried this though) or wait for a potential Amazon price match.
They cancelled my order for this ;(
Put this in (got same price from amazon) and it is stunning. You won't regret it. Previously had a Toshiba nvme.m2 in and this 970 Pro blows it away in performance, boot time
Just got the 'out of stock' email from ebuyer.....
Could anyone tell me what there preference would be between this and the Samsung Evo 970? I don't know much to differentiate, any advice/opinions will help, thanks.
I’m so glad I finally took the plunge and fitted one of these to my laptop. Best thing I ever did to improve performance. Boot time from my old 5400rpm HDD was nearly 5 minutes. It now takes 10 seconds from button press to opening a browser and loading a web page!
And hopefully the same for DRAM prices too...
At least prices are starting to head in the right direction. The new drives appear to be cheaper to make and there is a bit more competition. If you are able to wait, I can see a long slow price reduction over the coming months.
Heat. Good price, solid SSD. A worthy contender to the Samsung series from what I can see, and about £20 less for the 500gb model.
128GB Plextor S3G Solid State Drive, M.2 2280 SATA 6Gb/s, 256MB Cache, 550MB/s Read, 510MB/s Write, 90K/71K IOPS
this may be sata but for some people (mainly laptop users) 2.5" drives aren't an option anymore so for them this is a good price. Personally, even in my desktop I would avoid using a 2.5" drive now, if I can help it.
What the guy fails to mention, is that he is from the future. The time travel has given him some jetlag....
Oh it will, many years ahead when this technology is old & small. People will be throwing them away as not to be worth selling. Trust me :D
I remember selling two 4MB SIMMs for £175 each after the Sumitomo Resin factory fire... https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/1993/07/22/fallout-from-a-fire-chip-prices-soar/c59d1f0b-493c-4b68-9a37-cf7588ea8641/?utm_term=.a1503358b894
Decent deal but I'm just upvoting for the drama.
But the price should be near enough identical too. I've been looking for an affordable M.2. (Sata or PCIe) simply because I already have enough drives and cables in my case :D This isn't a bad price but the Adata XPG SX6000 which is a PCIe (albeit not a great one) is only £117 for 512 GB on Amazon at the moment. I'm really not sure the premium for drives like the 960 Evo is worth it for the average user.
Atleast with the NVMe there is a noticeable performance gain but m.2 / Sata SSD are identical. I guess if you've only got an m.2 slot or building a small machine then m.2 is the only option.
Yeah, I've got an early PCIe drive in a MacBook Pro. It's very fast, but again I can't compare it to a SATA device in that machine as it doesn't have the interface. Plugging one in via USB 3 or Thunderbolt wouldn't be a fair test. It boots a few seconds quicker than my old 2011 MacBook Pro with a SATA drive, but given it only reboots every couple of months when there's an OS update it's not a compelling reason to spend £100 more on a PCIe drive for a Windows PC.
The first time I used a PCIe SSD was in a Dell laptop and it seemed snappier to me but I didn’t use it for long. But I can’t say if that was objectively valid as I had never used it with a SATA drive. It did plant the seed of wanting a PCIe Boot drive in my next desktop but not at a large premium. I managed to get a Toshiba XG3 512GB for £115 with a warranty so that wasn’t much of a premium for what is a decent SSD that uses MLC. My data SSD is a mere SATA drive but it is 1.92TB and a data centre drive so it has great consistency, endurance and power protection. If I hadn’t got such good deals I’d probably be slumming it with TLC SATA drives. (lol)
I'd be intrigued to see the real world performance benefit of a value and premium NVMe drive in typical desktop use over the MX500... Sure a Samsung benchmarks much better, but if that only translates to a half second reduction in actual loading times for something, is it really worth double the cost?
"Virtual desktop infrastructure (VDI) is virtualization technology that hosts a desktop operating system on a centralized server in a data center. VDI is a variation on the client-server computing model, sometimes referred to as server-based computing. The term was coined by VMware." Coined by vmware thus is just branding than what it is; this is remote vm. And vdi on the client wouldn't need nvme, businesses need sata ssd's on client machines as that decreases load time. Less so on thin clients. 4k iops is slang and given that you already say 90k write iops or 100k read iops, 4k iops is missleading. High mixed iops on the 4k to 32k range, is needed for every boot drive, regardless one being a gamer or content creation. Sqls love this too but high high queue depths on 32+ Hi mixed iops on the 4k to 32k file size, allows a computer with a ssd as a boot drive to boot soo much faster than a hdd, even if you pegged the ssd to 150MB/s.
No it's not a typo. 4K IOPS means number of 4kb aligned random I/O per second. Virtual Desktop Infrastructure is googlable so I'll let you educate yourself on that one.
4k opps .. Hopefully thats a typo .. Actually once we start to see x8 and x16 (probably be halved with pcie4) nvme drives, those iops will become very important, as you will start to have the bandwidth of ddr 3/4 .. which means you can use it as ram. Thats the future .. 100k+ mixed iops on large and small files is what the average user needs. "Oracle databases, Virtual Desktop Infrastruction" Badly badly worded but, sql dbs do need large mixed iops but drives for these are typically either directly sit on the pcie port (agp and pcie are serial thus aren't a bus but a port). or use the sff connector or sas even. The M.2 form factor is really only a consumer thing which i would love to see die.. I think you mean by "Virtual Desktop Infrastruction"; virtual machines, yes ssd drives do vastly help in those applications but its the same requirements as a normal os would require: High iops. VMs love cores (and more cores) lots of ram and a fast drive.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that consumers only have two appreciations of speed. It is either "okay" or it is "slow". If you have to resort to benchmarking software to form an opinion, the speed is "okay". Honestly, the business case for NVMe is 4K IOPS i.e. server workload, not desktop. - Oracle databases, Virtual Desktop Infrastruction and the like. It's just bragging rights. I mean, most Ferrari owners don't drive the thing at it's top speed do they?
Whilst the benchmarks for real world consumer workloads usually look underwhelming, I'm curious if the overall responsiveness is noticeably snappier. Anybody? Which is only true for certain workloads and as consumer SSDs generally lose performance as they become very full having twice the capacity is of practical use.