depends on the program. some things prefer better timings, some prefer better speed. i agree that ram speed is over exaggerated. you won’t notice performance difference between 3000mhz cl15 and 3600mhz cl18, even cl16, there is barely any difference.
I bought crucial cl16 3600mhz for my shiny new pc replacing the 3000 MHz cl15 and you know what happened at bench mark time? Performance was marginally worse. Granted im now on 32gb rather than 16gb, but not what I expected.
Found an Asrock B450 Micro ATX with 2 slots for £60
Most expensive boards only have one m.2 slot. You could always get a pci-e m.2 slot add in card
Shame it only has 1 M.2 slot, good price though
I would say a little hard to say they have given up. However if you are supply constrained whilst expanding in Datacentres, OEMs, laptops (markets you hardly touched previously) whilst now having the top end PC market would you be best looking at where the higher margins are (seeming you can't stack high) whilst your main competitor focuses in the interim on the value sector. They did say it would be like this till second half of this year, although renoir only recently really showing readily of late whilst cezanne already being shipped to OEM's.
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Yep still shows as 3600oc .. i have not used the B450M DS3H but every other Gigabyte i have here as Soc voltage that you can adjust ..not just offset... its under m.i.t advanced voltage settings VCORE SOC i would not go over 1.2 1.1 should be fine
Which Gigabyte b450m do you have ? maybe i am looking at the wrong one
Unfortunately can't set soc voltage independently only get offset option in bios. Just tried now, get beep code every time I try 3200 or above. Safe to say it is annoying as hell! But yeah using 1.4v on the ram, but it is def cpu doing it to me
that board specs at OC at 3600 so you should be able to get a bit over that depending on the IMC ..are you on the latest bios ..and are you pumping 1.4v to ram.... and giving the SOC the right volts that the calc states ..what i would do is leave the secondary timings on auto and just do the main primary timings and take from there once you have your speed dialled in then do the secondary and the rest.
Great price. Review here (June 2020) >> https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9488/pny-xlr8-ddr4-3200-32gb-dual-channel-memory-kit/index.html In what we saw from the PNY XLR8, you may not get to tinker as much as you can with other memory out there, but the charts do not lie. Trading blows with the Crucial Ballistix, and beating it in quite a few, considering it is $30 more for the Ballistix, the XLR8 kit looks even more impressive! We feel that the PNY XLR8 did their job well, and even with little room for the overclocker out there, if you are looking for plug-and-play performance without the need to do anything beyond setting the profile as active, on either AMD or Intel, these are the sticks you want! As this is our first time with any PNY product for review, we do have to give it to them for what they can do in our charts, and at a price, many can afford!
Got these for £120 6 weeks ago from Curry's. Had no issues, work great. Great price for 32GB.
RAM – Adding Memory to PCs or Laptops
RAM stands for Random Access Memory. In contrast to magnetic storage devices such as your hard drive, RAM is memory that can be accessed randomly by your computer - that is to say, without following sequentially from other bytes. It is sometimes referred to as main memory and is the primary memory that determines the speed and performance of your computer.
Upgrading Your RAM: The Beginnings
Memory storage itself started from what we would consider nowadays to be pretty humble beginnings. Starting with a Vacuum Cube similar to those used in CRT monitors, memory storage didn't begin to evolve into its modern shape until the development of the transistor by Bell Labs. This allowed Latches - a configuration of transistors that could store a single bit of data - to evolve into Flip-Flops, which in turn evolved into Registers, the common component in most modern static memory cells. Since then, we've seen the first widely-adopted architecture for RAM, the Single Data Rate RAM or SDR RAM, become virtually obsolete in favour of the newer Double Rate Data architecture (DDR).
Types of RAM – SRAM, DRAM and SDRAM
There are two main types of RAM, each with their own pros and cons. To summarise them briefly, DRAM (Dynamic RAM) is slower than SRAM because its electrical charge needs to be refreshed at intervals. However, as it uses fewer transistors, it takes up less space while providing the same amount or even more storage than the SRAM, and it is also significantly cheaper. For these reasons, it is more frequently used in modern computers than the faster Static RAM. However, SRAM uses less power and requires less heat dissipation. Within a modern computer device, DRAM is often used as part of the main memory while SRAM is often used for Cache memory. What is important to remember is that DRAM will be the main type of memory to worry about when it comes to upgrading your computer's memory.
One more thing to bear in mind in the acronym-filled world of Random Access Memory. The DRAM you find in your common computer is also often referred to as SDRAM (Synchronous Dynamic Random Access Memory), not to be confused with the afore mentioned SRAM.
RAM Formatting Systems: DDR, DDR2, DDR3 and DDR4
Currently, there are four main types of SDRAM systems available. The one currently most prevalent in the marketplace is the DDR3, but a newer generation has come into the game, namely the DDR4. These four are important to know when you are upgrading your RAM, as if you are trying to insert a DIMM (dual in-line memory module) into your motor board, it will not work if it is working with one format and your own device is formatted using another.
DDR – Developed in 2000, DDR doubled the memory transfer speed of the time by enabling memory transfer on both the rise and fall of the clock signal that underlies all information transfer in computing. It also reduced the amount of power being used.
DDR2 – DDR2 doubled transfer speed again (up to 1,066MTps) while reducing power demands even further.
DDR3 – Roughly twice speed of DDR2 at 2,133MTps, DDR3 is now the common standard for newly created devices. However, this is a relatively recent development so many of your older device may very well still be using the DDR2 or even DDR format.
DDR4 – The newest development in this range is the DDR4 which can handle data rates up to 3200MTps. DDR5 is presumably going to be twice as fast as DDR4 and is slated for release in 2019.
G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series DDR4
RAID – Data Storage and Performance Improvement
On their own, each of these devices will store information effectively but won't increase the performance of your computer dramatically. However, one interesting avenue for upping computer performance is through the utilisation of RAID (Redundant Array of Independent Disks). This is a system that allows multiple drives to work together to effectively provide you with a single drive that holds the capacity of all your drives combined. It can also be effective in increasing reliability, as it can be configured to allow your computer to continue functioning even after a hard drive crash. This means increased data safety. There are several levels of RAID, but as a whole it is certainly creating new horizons for performance and data safety, making it well worth a look. We won't have time to go into more detail on RAID today, but we will keep you posted as it develops.
Buying RAM: A Few Tips
When it comes to upgrading your RAM, the first thing to confirm is that the chip you are using is compatible with the DDR system of your computer's memory. While DDR chips are harder to find these days, DDR2 chips are still widely available, though you will pay more and get less back in terms of increased performance than with the more prevalent and high-performance DDR3 and DDR4 chips. If your device is in a DDR format, it may be time to consider a full-system upgrade or even a new computer.
The Best RAM for Your Needs – Some Other Tricks
If possible, try to find a chip with the same speed as that of your motherboard. The speed is given in the specs and is the number with MTps at the end. Differences in speed can result in under-performance or even lags. If your chip speed is slower than your computer, your computer will be unable to operate at its full potential. If it is faster, your motherboard may have trouble keeping up with it.
Step one before going out to buy some more RAM is to consult your user guide and find out more about your computer’s memory slots and how the RAM is distributed. For example, your motherboard may have two slots with one 512MB chip in each or it may have a single 1GB chip in one of three slots. Determining this will allow you to know beforehand how big a chip - and even how many chips - you will need to buy in order to see a significant increase in your computer’s performance.
Who Does RAM Best and Should You Pay for the Premium Brands?
RAM is still an important part of your computer device's performance. However, recently more and more processes are being incorporated into the CPU itself. These processes now often include a memory controller, which allows for much more memory bandwidth. This extra bandwidth has downgraded the importance of RAM for overall performance. The upshot of this is that RAM costs have dropped dramatically. While the change in technology trends has downgraded the impact of RAM on performance, the significant drops in cost have also made it one of the most cost effective ways to bump up your system's performance. Recommendable RAM manufacturers that you should compare include: Corsair, Kingston, G.Skill, Team Group and Patriot.
So why pay more? The question still remains of whether or not there is any reason to pay much for a top-quality RAM extension. One of the arguments for forking out a little extra has to do with something called memory latency. This one is a little complicated but, in short, latencies measure the number of operating cycles it takes to execute a task within the memory. The better the memory kit you have, the better this will function and the more improvement you'll see to your devices performance. Each memory kit you purchase will give you a rating for the latencies. All you really need to know is the lower the latency numbers, the better.
Finding the Best Low Price Quality RAM
You can purchase additional RAM from street stores such as Currys, Maplin, CeX or Euronics easily, though perhaps not at the most competitive prices. Online vendors such as Crucial, Ebuyer, Pixmania and even Amazon offer good prices and an excellent level of variety, however, if you are unsure of what you need, it might be better to call into a store first and speak to someone with a bit of know-how.
Generally, electronics tend to be cheaper at certain times of the year. Especially when it comes to shopping events such as Black Friday and Cyber Monday. After the rush of Christmas it´s also wise to take a look at RAM deals during the January Sales.
RAM Offers at HotUKDeals
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Sensible advice, i gave heat but this disclaimer is required too (y)
Great RAM, but couldn't get the RGB software to work. The crucial software is terrible. First world problem I know.
Prices have gone up, but personally I would get it from Amazon UK (White / Black or Red) for only £2 more: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-Ballistix-BL2K8G26C16U4B-Desktop-Gaming/dp/B083V93HJG/ref=pd_ybh_a_4?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=ZJJ8VBP75B9NH94TR4GC&th=1 Delivery and return would be quicker. I think the life-time warranty would be honoured in both cases, but I have heard people say that you have limited warranty with a product bought from abroad. Can a member of the legal brigade on here confirm please?, :) . (It might have been that the guarantee is limited just with the retailer abroad) Not voting either way on this, but please keep the deals coming @ComingInHot, there are many other deals that I have and will continue to vote hot. Edit: Typo
True. I have NUC 9 pro and the memory is running at 2666 mhz. I'm not too bothered though. I still need to check if it (NUC) has XMP in BIOS.
I was going to buy these sticks or the pair that OP posted for my Legion 5P, however I found two snags with both: The Corsair seems specific to gen 6 Intel CPU boards. My 5P is AMD so that's a no go for me but there are reviews of people using it in systems that are beyond gen 6 so if you've got Intel I would say go for these. Amazing price and no hassle returns if they don't work. The Crucials also seem like a great deal but only if you have access to XMP profiles on your board and can push the 1.2 voltage otherwise you're stuck on 2400 or 2666 mhz. You can read about these experiences from customers in each Amazon pages.
I bought these https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-Ballistix-BL2K16G32C16S4B-Laptop-Gaming/dp/B083W5ZRJ1/ref=psdc_430511031_t1_B08GSS6FLK off ebay for 100 a month ago
Bring back the days when desktop memory was around this price :(
Just went out of stock but can still be ordered at this price.
If Intel (especially)or AMD ask what speed your RAM is running at and it is higher than the designed max speed for the CPU, they can, and do refuse your warranty claim. An Intel 10700 for instance has a max RAM speed of 2900MHz. If you admitted to using 3200MHz, a non remarkable speed that wouldn’t make any difference, you’ve ram your CPU out of spec and you now have no more warranty. A Ryzen 5 3600 has a designed max RAM speed of 3200MHz, run RAM at the 1:1 Infinity Fabric ratio and you invalidate your warranty.
I've literally recently bought the crucial Ballistix 3000 cl15 that I found on here a week ago (white ones) for a steal. So you sir are a legend for saying that, you've saved me half a job
I'm not disregarding your advice on it being lower binned RAM than say Crucial e-die, I was just intrigued as to how AMD/Intel could refuse a warranty claim based on the speed your memory was running at that's all.
If you don’t know any better, have an issue with your pre-built or self built computer and goto raise a warranty claim and are asked what speed your memory is or if you have enabled XMP. There have been many, and will continue to be many people who get shafted for warranty claims for using RAM at “advertised” speeds without knowing that it’s invalidating their warranty on other parts. Fact is, this is very cheap RAM pushed to its limits by the manufacturer to hit a not very remarkable speed. By discovering that there was no headroom in the RAM, it’s clear that it’s bottom of the barrel quality. If you think that’s good value, please don’t let me stop you spending your money as you wish.
How would anyone know what Memory profile you were running?!
I bought these in February for £149 from CCLOnline, but it's been at the £200 mark since then. Picked these up as soon as they were posted this morning and delivered this evening. Installed and now running 64GB in my PC.
This is how much I paid for 2x8GB 2 years ago.
Thanks mate but after some rgb ram
This is the Crucial Ballistix set (non RGB) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B083TRXZ98/
Have you got a link for that? cant seem to find it on here? regards
Here's a list and what I paid in Feb 2020. Ryzen 5 3600 £149 MSI B450M-A PRO MAX £51.39 Corsair CV Series CV450 450W Power Supply 80 Plus Bronze £34.35 Asus GTX 1050Ti 4GB £80 (used) Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz, DDR4, DRAM, 16 GB (8 GB x 2) £51 256GB WD NVME £35
Think there are a couple of spec wrong on their listing actually... Like according to the MSI listing, the board DOESN'T have VGA or Bios Rollback, or x6 sound connectors? I bought a B450M PRO-M2 MAX for similar $$$ the other week and I'm well happy with it. Has VGA, which I still use periodically.
don't spose you fancy posting your rigs full details inc psu case etc
64GB is max memory.Amazon listing of 32GB is wrong.
I have this for my 4k edit rig, seems fine. Does the job for not much money. Using it with a Ryzen 3600 + 1060ti
Backblaze, are using consumer standard drives in a nas, and not your normal consumer type nas but in a data server facility.. This firm produce data whilst having some indicative trends, should not be taken as gospel. Unless you have the sides of the case and the case is on your desk you will not hear most 3.5" drives.
I was just looking at HDD prices on eBay, you can easily double your money now.
This'll do fine for up to 4 drives in a NAS, just as good as a WD Red in real terms - potentially better - WD made headlines by pulling a dirty ploy and putting SMR (bad for RAID) drives into their Red line recently. However you're better off investing in larger hard drives if the whole job is storage, especially if limited slots. 3TB is great for most peoples steam libraries and anything else that spills over their SSD on a desktop, but pretty small in modern HDD terms. Can get up to 18TB now, 12-14TB readily available and at a good price - chia related surge in demand notwithstanding! Internal drives can carry a premium, but if you checkout "shucking" as a concept, can get good deals on USB drives to use for NAS etc. Picked up 4x 14TB recently for ~£211 each = £15 per TB (so cheaper than this per GB!)
My WD Red I ordered from Amazon EU arrived hanging out of the outer packaging! The courier insisted he hadn’t dropped. Yeah, right. I tried to reject the delivery but he refused my rejection, insisting that it will be fine. I contacted Amazon UK and they refunded me straight away. Another waste of a perfectly find hard drive, not to mention the logistical environmental impact . All this thanks to cheap and inadequate packaging by Amazon warehouse staff
......? This isnt put together as a pc..? its a prebult machine. PS: im very calm and honest if u dont like the product move on, but price is bang on budget for a budget build as a base but ive upped aspect for folks to match the costco in a VS as lot have been asking me, so the key dif between the 2 is 1tb nvme vs 480GB its a follow on post. no point even talking further. u wanna be helpfull to folks do what uncommen.sense does atleast he backs up with no direct target back up alts which dont match or beat the value but the alt way.
Calm down for gods sake, you seem madder than i am. This isnt put together as a pc, its just an excuse to get rid of stock components.
I think the 4650G option is the better choice here - marginally more expensive, but a more recent and better APU. Good deal!
Haha going to keep my old system as spare whist still working from home, you never know if might need it if work laptop fails. Only going to use nVidia 2Gb 750ti from it for now until GPU prices return to normal, whenever that might be (confused)
Same boat. Also to figure out what to do with my ancient rig. How do I find someone who would want to buy a Pentium G4560 in these times... (ninja)
Same, arriving tomorrow :D Just need to find m/b, psu and pc case now (party)
just had a dispatch email for mine (y) it said July earlier this afternoon