eBay buyer wants to return an item that was HIS mistake in buying

Posted 16th Nov 2022
I sold a Samsung tab S6 lite Sm-P613 brand new sealed to a buyer on eBay.
It was correctly listed with all the details and pics clearly shown in both the listing and the label and model number on the box clearly shown.

He is blaming eBay saying he searched for a SM-P615 and my listing came up. (Not my error)

He has opened the box and broken the seals, so no longer a brand new item and I stand to lose a decent amount in resale value. Not only that he lied to eBay when raising the return request saying Wrong item sent (not so and has admitted it)
Because of this eBay have automatically authorized the return request.
Further to this eBay has included a refund in the buyer postage (why? if the item was received).

I have spoken to CS about this and I'm dismayed at this request, but aren't being very helpful tbh and are saying just accept it and if there's anything wrong with it contact us.

Why the heck should I accept a return on something that is clearly the buyers error and has devalued the item by opening it?
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  1. uk101's avatar
    Unfortunately, to get things sorted at eBay, you have to insist on speaking to Leadership.
    When you speak to a Manager, advise that the buyer opened the return under "wrong item sent", when in actual fact you sent what was exactly described in the listing.
    Advise that because the item was sent sealed, and now the buyer has broken the seal, the resale value has decreased. Demand compensation for this.

    I can't stress enough how you have to escalate to leadership. If you don't get anywhere, contact eBay's office of the president team.

    Good luck (edited)
    font2013's avatar
    Or google:”ebay ceo email address” and pop them an email. Sometimes that works
  2. tardytortoise's avatar
    I may be wrong, but I thought if you buy almost anything without physically seeing it allows you to simply change your mind and get a refund. Sure, in this case the buyer has behaved despicably but I guess they were not aware of the mistake they made until they broke seals and inspected the item.
    font2013's avatar
    I am pretty sure that rule to return applies to business sellers. For private sellers you do not have to accept a return as it’s an auction. You can’t change your mind on an auction when it comes to private sellers. Double check with ebay /
    CS though.
  3. Mail's avatar
    I always do my eBay inquiries on Twitter. Their Twitter team is significantly better than their terrible customer support and highly recommend you signing up to Twitter just for this reason. It sucks that you'd have to do this, but can be one of your best recourses.

    Explain the same situation and say that the user has already broken the seals and you wouldn't be receiving the item in the condition that they were in.

    If they send it back before you contact them on eBay, it doesn't matter. Just say the same thing but that you received a return for a refund and the item is not in the condition that you sold it for and it's now damaged.

    You will have proof in your messages that the buyer has opened the seal as indicated in your OP. Use that when you're talking with the eBay representatives.

    If everything is correct in the OP, then he should not receive any money back. He has misused the policy on eBay and stupidly provided proof to you that he's manipulated the item. (edited)
  4. Azwipe's avatar
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    ashyt16turbo's avatar
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    The distance selling regulations don't exist any more the new regulations are called The Consumer contracts regulations 2013.
    I don't own a business, I buy and sell a few phones and other bits to make a few quid as do many others on here.

    It's not as if it's rolling in.
    Irrespective, I'm listed as a private seller on eBay not business.
  5. Sackboy1's avatar
    I just sold my old iPhone on eBay, almost the same thing has happened to me.

    I’m going to end up with the phone returned and about £15 of postage costs for the pleasure.

    Will never sell on eBay again.
    sAmeri's avatar
    What would you suggest eBay do in this case? Because realistically... If the reason the buyer is giving is within reason, true or not, eBay has to pick word vs word. And in some situations it's only fair to take the buyers word over the sellers, like this for example. Sure you've missed out on money on postage, and maybe packaging being opened etc, but imagine the buyer was genuinely scammed and lost their money, that's a far worse hit. eBay is kinda forced to pick the better of the 2 unfortunate options.
  6. louiselouise's avatar
    I had something similar happen to me a few days ago - I got a weird message after a one item Buy It Now purchase (makeup) - clearly described and photographed, implying I had ignored a request for a different shade. I didn't receive any messages from her, only about her confusion when I sent the tracker URL and said it will update once collected - she seemed to think she had to collect the parcel!

    After it was delivered, I got a message saying I asked you for Shade X - which she didn't - and, I would like you to supply the shade I asked for, or I will request a refund. I was completely baffled.

    I gave her the benefit of the doubt and asked if she got me mixed up with another seller, and highlighted I hadn't done anything wrong at all, nor had I received any messages about shades. She then told me you are not helpful, which annoyed me a bit.

    Haven't heard from her since - I told her ebay would be able to check my listing and our correspondence, she's been quiet so far. (edited)
    Hasnain_Hussain's avatar
    This sounds like the exact situation I faced a few months back, they claimed it was the wrong shade and followed this word for word
  7. ashyt16turbo's avatar
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    Ok good news. eBay have agreed I had a valid case and that the buyer misrepresented his reason for return. They have said this is not acceptable and do not take it lightly.
    The buyer has agreed a partial refund and eBay have said they have added protection to my account for this return which means I am not responsible and that I do not have to pay anything other than the partial refund.

    Good news and a relief.
    PS5's avatar
    Why do you have to pay a partial refund if you haven't done anything wrong. The outcome sounds like the issue is unresolved for both of you.
  8. DistortedVision's avatar
    Office of the President team? What like eBay's Oval Office?
    AnkerMan's avatar
    Yup. Joe Bidens dad runs the place. Sits around pushing random buttons and flushing customers complaints down the toilet
  9. TristanDeCoonha's avatar
    If you don't have his admission of error in a format that can be supplied to ebay, then I doubt you will win.
    Sorry.
    Ebay sides with the buyer almost every time
    ashyt16turbo's avatar
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    I have it in a message that HE made the mistake, but blames it on eBay.
  10. Mendoza's avatar
    when you get it back, you open a case, saying item returns not as sent.. then do a partial refund, keeping what you think you will lose, but as of right now, you have no choice but to accept the return..

    a big risk, say you received a book, and not your item
  11. HellriderUKDeals69's avatar
    Seeing the number of posts here regarding eBay scams, it would be helpful to mention the buyer's eBay id so they can be blocked.
  12. joeydeacon's avatar
    Everything I sell on eBay is either new or absolutely immaculate, so what I see a lot of is buyers coming back with far fetched or poor reasoning for wanting a partial refund. For example one guy says “buttons don’t click loud enough” on controller, I reiterate it was new and I ask if controller otherwise works, he confirms it does. Guy comes back wanting part compo because it’s a “manufacturing defect”. I say no, I’d rather have it back because if it has a defect as he says it does this could leave to further time consuming comms back and forth further down the line. Guy argues toss and asks “why can’t I just have compensation, I’ll have to pay for postage and go out of my way to post it” Told him a firm no, I won’t be giving compo, send it back. Guys comes back with “it’s fine I’ll just leave it”. I can see through this utter BS a mile off.
  13. YinYang's avatar
    Surely if it said "Sm-P613" in the listing title and description, he can't say that the wrong item was sent?

    If your listing came up when he searched for the 615 model, then it's partly eBay's fault, but also largely his IMO, assuming the model number was clearly stated.

    I would escalate the issue, because you shouldn't be out of pocket over this. Sometimes I swear the people who make these decisions have zero common sense.
  14. font2013's avatar
    I hate ebay for this reason. They side with the buyer no matter what! 

    once a guy bought a jacket from me. He used it for some
    10 days then raised a return request under the guise: item not as described. He sent it back smelling of bo and smoke. As the jacket was a down jacket I had to pay to get it laundered at a dry cleaners. Ebay didn’t cover the cost and only refunded me the return postage i had to pay as a good will gesture. Ebay and that guy who did that to me are scumbags. I deleted my ebay account after than. Had a three year hiatus after that experience. I then rejoined when I wanted to buy something and the first thing I did when I rejoined was find all the low lifes who had wronged me before and blocked them
    from seeing any potential future auctions. Other than that it sounds like there’s little you can do as ebay treats sellers with contempt.
    sAmeri's avatar
    How can you prove to eBay your jacket stank of smoke when it was returned to you? And how would you prove you never sent a smoke-smelling jacket in the first place?

    I've had someone send me like new shoes stinking of smoke (I was the buyer) and I wasn't sure how to prove it. Luckily eBay didn't ask me for proof, but how would I? Everything about their return process is about proof, who can provide stronger evidence, and unfortunately as a seller you can barely prove anything even with a video. (edited)
  15. bozo007's avatar
    eBay agents can see the messages exchanged. In the past, I have told them to read them and on both the occasions, they sided with me (seller). But you need someone who is allowed to think beyond the script.
    ashyt16turbo's avatar
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    Via which medium did you do this?
  16. rik111's avatar
    Why waste you time on this ? Accept it is one of the hazards of selling on eBay and move on, you not going to win and are getting the item back.
    I presume you got this free as part of a promotion so it's hardly like you have lost anything, you will just end up getting a bit less for it than you anticipated but selling on ebay you could have got totally mugged i.e. sent a brick back...
    Sell on Facebook / Gumtree but you have to accept you will not get as much as selling on eBay.
    ashyt16turbo's avatar
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    I paid for this, don't know what you mean by free?

    Accept what? That a buyer can't be bothered to check what he's buying when it's clearly described and tries to mug both eBay and myself off by making false claims?
  17. abdul5's avatar
    Don’t think I will be selling on eBay through postage…..collection only

    Maybe pay him a visit if he’s close by lol
  18. Bubbles_Jones's avatar
    Person gaming the system (buying / selling items to make a profit, business seller posing as a private seller) complaining about someone else gaming the system. Could not make it up
  19. Hasnain_Hussain's avatar
    I would be claiming that the item wasn’t sent back as it was sent to him, and demand money back.

    I just sold via eBay and a seller with 0 feedback outbidded someone in the last seconds, didn’t realise and posted, wonder if they’ll try anything
    font2013's avatar
    There is a way to stop someone with zero feedback bidding. Call customer service and they’ll talk you through it. through
  20. Azwipe's avatar
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    ashyt16turbo's avatar
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    I'm a private seller trying to make a few extra quid HUKD style
  21. hootz's avatar
    Once you have the item returned and refunded you can open their standard dispute case, if it’s found in their favour then you need to escalate it further. 

    Its not commonly known but there is a policy of taking it further and eBay often refund the seller if for example the buyer sends something back that’s not what was sent or is blatantly taking the mick. You may need to phone them to get it escalated however. 
  22. L33kor's avatar
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    sAmeri's avatar
    How are they screwing you over?
  23. ashyt16turbo's avatar
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    At the moment the buyer has gone quiet and has not replied to my latest message.

    I notice this guy has a couple of neg feedbacks as a seller, one calling him conniving and another saying he was a time waster and incorrectly listed an item.

    Tbh I think this guy is a bit of a rump and trying to play the system.
    He has blatantly falsely represented the reason for the return to circumvent the return process and have ebay automatically authorise a refund.

    I'm gonna post our exchange of messages below, so others can give an opinion of this buyer.

    I find it comical that he blames me, saying wrong item sent, then eBay, then me again and eBay again and then threatens me with possible negative feedback

    This guy can't seem to get it into his dumb skull that the error is all his for not bothering to check the listing description that at least 4 times clearly mentions and shows the exact model being purchased.

    You'd think someone spending nearly £300 would check and check again before hitting the BIN button?



    Hi, you have made a return request stating that I sent the wrong item.

    I have checked the listing and it was correctly listed as an SM-P613 which is the WiFi model.
    These normally retail at around £359 for the Oxford Grey WiFi model.
    The 4G model is currently on sale at Currys for £429.

    I find it a little unfair that you have stated 'Wrong item' as your return request.

    Have you opened this item in any way, are the seals intact?

    Thanks, Mark



    What I meant was that I put Galaxy Tab S6 Lite -grey 128gb SM-P615 in the search engine and yours came up, I only saw that it was a Galaxy Tab S6 Lite -grey 128gb which i assumed was the P615 that i put in the search, it wasn't until i couldn't find a sim card slot that i discovered that it was not the right model. 
    Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


    If you have opened the device and broken the seals then I'm not sure I can accept a return on this item.
    Breaking the seals will markedly reduce the value of the item for resale.

    I accept returns for unopened items returned as they were received.

    As you have put in your return request that the wrong item was sent this has automatically raised a return.

    However this is incorrect and is due to your own mistake.

    I will need to consult eBay CS before proceeding.

    Mark


    The mistake is eBay's listing for offering a P613 when I clearly entered P615 in my search. Had your listing mentioned that it was a P613 instead of just a Galaxy Tab S6 Lite - Grey 128GB (2022) I would not have ordered. I look forward to eBay's response,

    I need the device for work, so it is necessary for a speedy conclusion, I have not used the device nor even turned it on, so it is still brand new.



    I am sure that you would like positive feedback so please prioritise.


    Hello,
    the listing clearly states the SM-P613 model in the item about section, the description and the pictures of the details on the box.
    In no way is there an error on my part.

    I have spoken at length to eBay customer service.
    I have explained the reason for return and eBay have advised me to offer you a partial refund to cover the loss of postage (8.45 minus your 2.99) and the devalue of the resale amount now that the box has been opened and seals broken.

    I will now have to sell this as an opened item.
    Please understand that the amount you paid was well under RRP for this particular model and I made very little on this item.

    Also just to make sure you're aware, most people simply connect the tablet to the internet via the hotspot on their mobile phone meaning a SIM card isn't required at all.

    It is unfair of you to use negative feedback as a tool to gain favour in the outcome.

    For a speedy resolution I would therefore like to proceed with the refund on provision that my costs are covered via a partial refund of £269.

    Please let me know if you accept.

    Thanks, Mark


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    I think knocking £20 off is a generous offer considering the loss of value and my initial postage cost? (edited)
    jinkssick's avatar
    Good luck. What a parlaver. Ebay will probably side with the guy, even though its not your fault.
  24. Enchante's avatar
    If eBay authorised the return it sounds like you have returns for the listing turned on.
    ashyt16turbo's avatar
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    I do and would accept the return if the item is returned in the exact state it was purchased minus the postage fee for sending.

    If I was at fault I'd also accept the return.

    However the buyer has clearly attempted to obtain a full refund under false pretences.
    This fall's foul of eBay's money back guarantee and therefore don't believe he is entitled to a full refund.
  25. Swiftjustice007's avatar
    That is why I always accept returns and select for the buyer to pay the return postage.
  26. Azwipe's avatar
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    ashyt16turbo's avatar
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    Warning heeded, but honestly I don't make a fortune. I'm not on a great wage and just need every bit of help I can get. I'm actually a very honest helpful seller just trying to make ends meet
  27. beanfungus's avatar
    I hate EBay…….. but I still use it.🤷🏼
  28. Skyblue22's avatar
    Ebay will always side with the buyer no matter what only way out of that is to not sell on ebay
  29. lollypoplee's avatar
    I would be willing to bet that when you receive it back there will be a brick or book in the box !
    I would never sell anything on ebay that was worth more that £20 as there are now more scammers than genuine buyers, and the unbelievable thing is the ebay always side with the buyer.
    ashyt16turbo's avatar
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    I asked him to take pictures of the item inside the box, the actual box, the parcel and the PO receipt.

    He has done, so don't think there is intention to scam.
  30. chuffedfox's avatar
    I once sold a Digital Camera on eBay a number of years ago. It went for a little more than I expected, so I paid for next day delivery to them, which cost me around £15 at the time (camera was probably £120 or so).

    They opened a return almost instantly saying it didn't work. I was baffled but took it on the chin. Got it back and there was absolutely nothing wrong with it, so either a liar or "operator error".

    In short, I basically paid for a Camera to go on holiday to London for a few days.

    I stopped selling on eBay when they allowed everyone to pay by PayPal (non-optional), but would keep the fees regardless. Had a few people buy, then "cancel", and the only option would be to pay the paypal fee on top of the refund. It'd be throwing £30 away if you'd sold something for a few hundred, giving people the license to make you throw money away at Paypal
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