Used car dispute with garage

Posted 27th May 2023
Purchased a used car last month from an independent garage. Took it to main dealer and they found:

- NSF Tyre sidewall damage
- NSF Alloy wheel slight buckle
- Front wipers smearing
- Tirefit and first aid kit expired
- Steering wheel off center
- Rear center right parking sensor fault

- very small marks at rear or car (which I was advised at the time of sale)

The sidewall damage is enough to cause mot failure. I raised this issue last week and they have been disputing everything. An invoice from main dealer, so I had to get an email from Mercedes confirming this. Then I had to send a picture of the tyre damage and they said they need the car in for investigating. I then escalated this to a manager who said they will replace the tyre. They can’t do anything as the guy dealing with my case is not in until Tuesday.

This has caused a lot of stress and inconvenience. Can I replace it before then and claim the money back? I think if I do this then I may have to claim back through small claims court if they don’t agree. Also they are premium continental tyres (and all 4 were at the time of sale), so should I insist on a similar replacement? They may try to replace with a budget tyre.

I also paid a part of the deposit on credit card but I think it’s not fair to claim money off them when it’s the garages fault.

They said they will book me into an inspection to have the parking sensor investigated (will pre order the part), have the alignment checked and adjusted, and replace the sensor.

On the phone mentioned they would investigate the buckle. I think it just needs to be put on a straightening machine and it’s only very slight. The main dealer technician could not find any vibrations at motorway speeds.

Also the garage mentioned the wipers may just need cleaning but they will investigate this.

The salesman also advised a service was carried out on the car before handover. The service was not due but I can’t see this was carried out either on the car computer or an invoice. Should I query this and ask for documents? And if not done request a service?

Should I also request a replacement first aid kit? And compensation for the inconveniences caused? They have dealt with this in an unreasonable way and left me without using the car for a week currently. If they replaced the tyre within a few days I would have been happy but they have done everything they can not to.

I will also raise a formal complaint for this after the repairs are carried out.

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  1. Timbonagasaki's avatar
    Timbonagasaki
    Citizens Advice will give you free advice, just phone them up and see what they have to say.
    I'd avoid legal action for now as they are making some effort to resolve things.
  2. expandingmaan's avatar
    expandingmaan
    I'm not gonna lie. Where I'm from, that's a good experience.

    Ive bought used cars with worse problems.

    However, I would mostly dispute the buckled wheel, steering fault and sensor fault everything else seems easily fixable. Wipers and tyre are easy to replace. I do believe you need a bit of spending money when buying a used car. (edited)
    killerz's avatar
    killerz Author
    True I agree with you. However the car was sold with the tyre fault, so they should have acted quickly to resolve this. They also sold the car as completely fault free
  3. Toon_army's avatar
    Toon_army
    I've only ever once bought from a dealer and was a right pain... looked at a car noticed a few dents they said they'd sort them before giving me, which they never! Eventually the dent man came to my home and sorted them.
    They said the car had been serviced,, I picked it up and took it 2mins away to my mates garage, put it up on the ramp and the oil filter had surface rust on it phone them and they said to go to EuroCarParts and they'd pay for the parts, so I ordered everything at their expense
    BadMF's avatar
    BadMF
    Again, I would have returned it and walked. Vote with your feet, if more people didn’t put up with this type of behaviour, then none of these firms would make money and go under. 

    Voting with your feet is the only language these shysters understand. 
  4. tonymgx's avatar
    tonymgx
    I would put it all in writing to the dealer, and send it recorded. Though it would depend on the age of the car. If its a newer car 2 or 3 years old, then my expectations would be completely different for a car that was 5 or 6 years old....
  5. edward.fisher's avatar
    edward.fisher
    If the garage don't want to play ball, you'll have a very difficult time getting anywhere with most of this.

    The sidewall damage was your legal responsibility to check prior to ever driving the car. I appreciate that in reality we often don't, but you are literally supposed to check your tyres every time you drive. Not having checked them prior to purchase means it's going to be very hard to get the garage to accept liability, as it could easily have happened at any time since purchase.

    A slight buckle in the alloy wheel, will again be reasonably hard to prove wasn't reasonable wear and tear done while you were driving. It's also not an MOT fail.

    It would be good if you mentioned what value this car was. If it was a 2 year old £50k car vs a £500 banger what is reasonable differs.

    Lastly you talk about claiming from your credit card, and it not being their fault. Credit cards are not a charity, if you claim from them (and are successful) they will give you absolutely none of their money. They will claim all the money paid to you back from the garage, and charge them a fee for doing so. (edited)
    killerz's avatar
    killerz Author
    I should have throughly inspected the tyres but if you see in my last post it was actually quite difficult to even see the damage. I also assumed the garage throughly checked through this. Something easily missed but main dealer luckily found it. They have now accepted liability. Should they also replace it with a premium tyre? I suspect they will use only use a budget tyre.

    According to which, under the consumer rights act if the fault is within the first 6 months it’s assumed that the car was like that at the time of sale. It’s the traders responsibility to prove otherwise.

    With the existing sidewall damage and repair on the tyre, it indicates pre existing faults for the buckle and the alignment.

    I have not claimed anymore faults after from that which was diagnosed from main dealer less than 2 weeks and under 500 miles from purchase. I understand anything further issues now will be my responsibility despite this.

    It’s a 5 year old Mercedes but the point is it was sold with no issues and should have been roadworthy.

    I will not involve my credit company as after disputing with the trader, they will resolve the main issues.
  6. BadMF's avatar
    BadMF
    I’d be handing the car back and walking away from said garage/dealer forever. 
    killerz's avatar
    killerz Author
    Except for the tyre issue, the car only has ‘minor’ issues and is in great condition. Very smooth drive and have had no big issues I noticed driving. Many people with used cars probably have tracking and maybe slight buckle issues without realising- could even happen going over a pot hole. I do love the car otherwise
  7. EndlessWaves's avatar
    EndlessWaves
    It's not clear why you're expecting the dealer to fix these issues. Was this a car bought from a website or app? Or was the dealer promising a completely fault free car?
    killerz's avatar
    killerz Author
    Purchased in person. They mentioned there’s “absolutely nothing wrong” with the vehicle at the time of sale
  8. flang's avatar
    flang
    How long was it after buying the car did you take it to a main dealer?

    I'm not doubting that the garage sold the car with issues but one could argue that you may have caused at least 3 of those problem during that period. (NSF Tyre sidewall damage/NSF Alloy wheel slight buckle/Steering wheel off center)
    killerz's avatar
    killerz Author
    I took it about 10 days after purchase, did less than 500 miles. The tracking more than slightly off so it gives me reason to think it was there before. The buckle is on the same tyre where’s there’s side wall damage and a tiny part of this was glued back. So I reckon the last owner must have hit the curb and caused these issues.
  9. bulkybuy's avatar
    bulkybuy
    How old is the car?

    Don't repair yourself as they would not be liable, you have to give them the opportunity to repair.

    I think they'll sort all the issues out, but you'll need to accept it will take a few days of inconvenience

    Like you say, you like the car so it's not worth giving back as you never know what your replacement purchase will be like

    As for the poor service with the tyre, I guess they've lost a potential repeat customer so it's there loss overall.

    And finally, don't stress - these are all first world problems and with a little bit of time I'm sure they'll be sorted. All the best (edited)
    killerz's avatar
    killerz Author
    5 years old. Shocking how some garages deal with their customers. This is a huge well known garage and even they have caused a lot of issues. I can understand why some people stick to main dealers

    I will probably leave a bad review on the basis of how much they have delayed tyre replacement. I’ve seen another review where there was a little chunk chipped of the tyre but they did not replace as it didn’t lead to mot failure. They bought the car online so couldn’t really inspect
  10. leeanne123's avatar
    leeanne123
    You can take it back for a refund - Google 'Short term right to reject'.
  11. RoosterNo1's avatar
    RoosterNo1
    Only YOU know your limits, they may well repair everything to your satisfaction, and used cars are never perfect.....
    Or , you feel ripped off - in which case ask for a refund and walk away (as is your right....even after the repairs)
    It's easy to over react when upset, don't forget these are people too (sometimes )
  12. adam.mt's avatar
    adam.mt
    If you read up, you'll find it does indeed depend on the age of the vehicle ("fair wear and tear"), what was said at point-of-sale and price.

    Don't go rushing out to get 'fixes' done elsewhere as you'll be liable for their cost unless the seller gives the go-ahead, offers goodwill, or you start legal proceedings. You should be giving the seller an opportunity to put matters right. A little inconvenience is inevitable.

    Remember, you always have the option of rejecting the car.
    killerz's avatar
    killerz Author
    They have agreed to fix the faults but just with the tyre they have taken a very long time to acknowledge and resolve it
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