If anyone hasn't seen or read the Currys thread (which beats this price by a few £ at £969) GNRJosh pointed out this t3 article (about being PS5-ready) https://www.t3.com/news/sony-ready-for-ps5-tv-no-oled-tv
I have a "quite good" FHD 144Hz gaming monitor (though I'm sure the purists would pooh-pooh it) and I haven't been home for any great length of time lately. So, unfortunately I can't comment - even though my PC is hooked up to the XH90 - I've only browsed and watched 4K/HD streams.
Awesome. Can I ask. How is it for gaming?. I'm holding bk fit the update before I bite the bullet. But how is gaming on the TV if u don't mind me asking?.
My brother helped me set up mine a week or so ago, here's what a 4K stream looks like on it (pretty much out of the box settings, apart from the Standard picture mode). Just put on a random Youtube 4K video of Norwegian scenery...slight bit of glare as it was a bit sunny, but you get the gist. I hadn't taken all of the plastic surround off either - you can kinda see it at the top of the screen. (Yes, I do have a saucy print on the wall)I find as it has a bit more "height" than the Sony 50WLT68 it replaced, the Sony soundbar I have fits nicely underneath and there's no issues with the TV remote sensor (the soundbar and WLT68 TV were too close together). Edit: I'm having a brain fart. It replaces the Sony-KDL50W829BBU - I used to have a WLT68 but that was a Toshiba telly. Isn't memory funny, not sure why that model number's stuck in my head.
LED will never be as good as OLED However it's a good price for a LED
That's the negative comments from what I've seen on Sony tellies. Personally I want the best TV available in my price range and I haven't a clue whether it's gonna be sub £500 eh the Hisense 55" ULED in Costco, or sub £1000 so I know it's in the top of the range.. Think when lockdown is eased enough I'll be able to go look at the tellies and see whether the difference is noticeable?! AHH. My problem is I want one that's gonna blow me away with proper noticeable field of depth, I kinda know it needs 100hz+ and should be a 10 bit panel so it's able to give out where it should (lol) I hate technology!
AO.com back up at £999 now I think.
I have the 55". Definitely recommended.
you could ask Richer sounds to price match AO.com
899 may sway me away from an OLED for this...
Posted 11th Feb 2020Posted 11th Feb 2020
Sony BRAVIA KD55AG8BU 55 inch OLED 4K Ultra HD HDR Smart Android TV YouView £1399 at Richer Sounds£1,399Richer Sounds Deals
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Yes it should be. Remember the updates to the software improves the performance on your TV usually just like an iPhone. The AG9 will continue to receive updates and that’s because it has a faster processor that can cope with the Release. So when you are trying to get on Netflix or YouTube in a years time it will be a lot slower compared to the AG9. But the mere is a price difference. Also the HDMI 2.1 will become more common. Not trying to put anyone off it’s a great TV but it’s expensive compared to the C9. As mentioned personal choice - picture vs updates/gaming. If it went to £1200 serious consideration just be give solely on the picture it provides for everyday tv and movies. Note it’s not Dolby Atmos audio. It’s a Sony equivalent. I’ve done extensive research as I’m debating Sony vs LG. It’s a divided opinion on who you speak to
Is the lack of updates a significant factor?
After speak to Sony apparently no further updates on the software Orieo 8.0. Therefore will be out of date as soon as you have bought it. It’s a shame as mentioned c9 is close but the Sony just tops it with picture quality.
Glad and sad at the same time, cos when it worked it was lovely. A lot of other benefits with the C9 though - I love the magic remote! Surprised others haven't followed suit
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Posted 20th Jan 2020Posted 20th Jan 2020
Sony KD55XG8196BU 55 inch 4K Ultra HD HDR Smart LED Android TV YouView £579 With Code @ Richer Sounds£579£5993% offRicher Sounds Deals
Ok so it's quite a while since I side loaded my fire TV with Kodi and mobdro so had to do all the research again and the first problem was not being able to download ES File Manager from the Play Store. I think when I did the fire TV I sent the file over via FTP but I struggled to get the TV to connect so here is what I did in case anyone else doesn't know and can't find a step by step guide on the internet. Make sure you have a Google account for your android TV. Turn off security settings to allow apps from unknown sources. Download file commander from the play store on the TV. On your laptop or PC download the mobdro apk from the mobdro website. Sign in to the same Google account as your TV on your laptop. Save the mobdro apk (without opening it) on your Google drive account on your laptop. Open file commander on your tv Find the modbro apk file in the Google drive folder and click on it You should now have modbro icon in apps on your TV Note that you do this at your own risk and it is always handy to have a saved copy of your TVs latest firmware to out on a usb drive should it ever decide not to boot up.
Just updated my Sony to Oreo and wasn't keen at first but it's growing on me and actually prefer it to LG Webos 1. I am not sure what the latest Webos is like but I like the customisation of the Sony apps which you can put on the home screen. I particularly like the fact that you can customise the TV button on the remote to default to whichever input you like, which for me is sky. Makes it a lot easier than backing out of each of the menus. Downloaded Kodi yesterday and now just got to figure out how to put modbro on it.
Webos 1 I thought was a little disappointing. The operating system was really slow coming from the typical user interface of Samsung and LG and then I go and buy a Sony lol. I think being able to customise your menus is a great idea but Webos 1 was quite slow in my opinion. I haven't tried a later version but hopefully they have improved. TVs though are really about having the best picture for your budget and it wouldn't have put me off buying the 8600. I just thought I would give the Sony a try as I have never had a Sony TV.
Yes, you are correct. I meant to finish the first sentence with 'and the picture quality you are after', which is why I directed them to the Q70 and up.
I'm surprised you didn't like the webos system. I find it the easiest system to use with the mouse type controller.
Posted 16th Jan 2020Posted 16th Jan 2020
Sony BRAVIA KD55XF9005 55-inch Android TV™ 4K HDR Ultra HD with voice remote YouView and Freeview HD @ Appliances Direct£746.99Appliances Direct Deals
Got mine delivered on Tuesday and loving it so far. One tip, if you are going to update to Oreo make sure and do it straightaway so you can factory reset ASAP with a minimum of fuss. I got sidetracked and forgot to reset. My TV would display the android 'Balls' (not it's official name - i hope) loading screen everytime i turned it on from standby, meaning it would take ~30sec to 1min to start up. Obviously not good. Factory Data reset solved that issue and a few other little niggles. TV is now ready in seconds. (y)
Hi folks, just a wee heads up - I managed to get Richard Sounds to price match this deal (they matched the £727 price before delivery and also beat it by £10) Final price i paid was £717. Might be worth giving your local RS a call? Delivery tomorrow 8) 8) 8) This was Glasgow by the way...
Would someone mind commenting on the viewing angle? I'm trying to decide between the LG sm9000 and this, with the LG being IPS I've watched the rtings viewing angle video it seems like the Sony has a better viewing angle even though its va. Edit: viewing angle is important since the tv is for our living room and there sofas on the side, so I'm looking for something with a good viewing angle.
I think with LG you have to play about with the settings to get it on par. I did this in my last LG and it was a decent improvement to the standard settings out of the box. I think the more reviews on LG you read on ratings.com you will see a pattern forming and they have a section now which shows you how to set your TV up to get the best out of it. According to the review on my TV it said they only had to change a few things he I agree as I haven't looked at mine yet as am happy with how it looks. Just a couple of minor niggles with the Sony which I mentioned above although since found that my Xbox doesn't support hdmi-cec and not sure why every time a programme goes to adverts or I change channel it flashes up "HDMi 2 Sky Stereo Dolby Digital 1080i" in the top left corner for about a second. As you say, picture is the most important factor with a TV and I cannot fault the 9005.
When 1st brought the xf9005 55 and initially turned on 1st time there was a little light bleed in top right, was bit worried but after few days off run in time it disappeared.
Posted 14th Jan 2020Posted 14th Jan 2020
Refurbished BT Youview Plus Set Top Box Home TV 500GB Recorder With Twin HD Freeview £79.00 @ ebay / the_phone_outlet£79eBay Deals
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Just a heads up for anyone using the YouView app on their mobile device. You may have heard that from the end of March they are discontinuing it and so you will no longer be able to use it to schedule recordings remotely to your YouView box. Due to customer complaints feedback, BT have now enabled users to schedule recordings even if you are not a BT customer using their BT TV app.
Yes, really simple... when you select a programme to record from the guide you are prompted whether to select series (default option) or one-off.
Can you series record on these? I have a finlux 1tb box and only thing I miss from virgin is series record.
Anyone ever figure how to side load apps onto these I’m sure it’s an android based unit. Or am I just dreaming haha!!
Before cutting the cord...I used to have Wish | Freesat V7S DVB-S2 Satellite TV Receiver FTA Full HD 1080P USB WIFI Support YouTube PowerVu Biss key Clines Video Broadcasting Receptor https://www.wish.com/product/freesat-v7s-dvb-s2-satellite-tv-receiver-fta-full-hd-1080p-usb-wifi-support-youtube-powervu-biss-key-clines-video-broadcasting-receptor-5b221aad78fac555ef82494e Not a bad set as you get freeview and freesat on one box + youtube and other apps.
Posted 6th Jan 2020Posted 6th Jan 2020
Sony Bravia KD55XF9005 LED HDR 4K Ultra HD Smart Android TV, 55" with Freeview HD & Youview, Black Free 5 year warranty - £699 @ Hughes eBay£699£79913% offeBay Deals
Can anybody comment on the viewing angles? I'm trying to decide between this and the LG sm9000. The latter being IPS, I thought it'd have better viewing angles, but after looking at the rtings viewing angles videos between the 2, it looks like the Sony actually has the better viewing angle. Viewing angle is rather important for me since we have 2 which are on the sides so aren't directly facing the tv.
I didn't know it wouldn't record Youview but makes no difference to me either. I just thought i would point it out you can't record using it. For anyone who doesn't have sky or cable and wanted to record they could find that a little disappointing as there only appears to be Richer Sounds who tell you in their advert. For me though if ever I ditch sky it would be worth buying a Youview or similar box for recording and catch up. The remote that comes with them is universal so you can use it to work your TV volume and power just like a sky box. The Which review on this TV is a joke. When they did the angle test they must have been trying to view it at 180 degrees. The most important thing is the screen quality and processor. Here is the good bits they said. What more do you need I ask. Pros 4K HDR content looks greatClear soundHandles motion well Did I say I love this TV.
That's a shame. The Q70 has some good reviews. Have you had a look to see if your TV has some tweaks on things.com https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q70-q70r-qled/settings
No not yet. Haven't read up on the features yet. Had a bit more of a play with the TV side of things after I posted yesterday's post. I really like this TV. The picture quality is an improvement over my 2014 LG LB650v and that had a good picture. SD is about the same but definitely looks crisper on the Sony in HD. I don't have sky Q and not tried any Netflix programmes yet. Thanks to Waterboy as it was his post that pushed me to this TV.
Posted 2nd Jan 2020Posted 2nd Jan 2020
Sony BRAVIA KD55AG8 55 inch OLED 4K Ultra HD HDR Smart Android TV YouView + 6 years guarantee included £1199 Richer Sounds£1,199Richer Sounds Deals
Stonking deal. Got this for £1300 from John Lewis just before BF which at the time was a £300 saving. Still very happy with it. This was one of many reviews that helped seal the deal
Purchased this on Boxing day from Currys for £1249 - amazing TV. Pic quality on UHD Netflix with Dolby Vision is excellent along with 4k rips via Plex on Apple TV. Android OS is a bit sluggish - I have upgraded to android 8.0 but is slow compared to my LG set using WebOS. For me the apps are irrelevant as all stuff is sent via Apple TV so the Android OS is redundant for me
Costco had it on a warehouse offer for £1079 at one point. Someone was lucky enough to get RS to beat the price for £1039. https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/sony-55-oled-4k-tv-at-costco-warehouse-1-per-customer-only-3352006 I bought the TV from Curry's for £1299 about two weeks before the costco deal so was unable to get the difference back as it wasn't within 7 days :0( More than happy with the TV anyway.
It wasn’t. It didn’t drop below £1200 until the other day. I’m pretty sure it was £1299 on Black Friday.
Is it Black Friday now?
Posted 27th Dec 2019Posted 27th Dec 2019
SONY BRAVIA KD55XG9505BU 55" 4K UHD HDR SMART ANDROID TV YOUVIEW £875 @ RGB Direct£875£99912% offRGB Direct Deals
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Haha. It's two of the Giant Bomb presenters - https://www.giantbomb.com/shows/beastcast/ They've mentioned it on a few podcast episodes but I don't know specifically which ones I'm afraid. They're all big fans of their OLED picture quality, but two of them acknowledge that they both have permanent burn-in on their sets.
Whoops, I meant podcast (duh!) (:I
Did you mean to quote someone else? I haven't mentioned a video.
Got a link to the vid you’re talking about? I’m in the market for a new TV!
Showing £999 for me :(
Posted 26th Dec 2019Posted 26th Dec 2019
Sony Bravia KD75XG8505 (2019) LED HDR 4K Ultra HD Smart Android TV, 75" with Freeview HD - £1399 delivered @ John Lewis & Partners£1,399£1,59913% offJohn Lewis Deals
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Nice one, now that's a serious bargain! I very much doubt you'll regret it (y) Well, if you do you can always send it back ;) Seriously though, I'm glad I didn't go the OLED route. Stress free regarding burn in with channel logos and game HUDS , better colours, better motion and upscaling and the black are still pretty impressing especially compared to most other LCDs. The interface takes a bit of getting used to and I've given up on the Freeview HDD live recording (it's crap!) and gone to the darkside i.e. Youview (but without channel record, not possible). No pausing live tv either way and Youview is definitely a better interface and required for itv and ch4 catch-up apps to work for some reason. Enjoy!
Well RGB put it on for £875 so I've bitten. I probably should've waited to speak to RS tomorrow, but didn't want to miss this price. 5yr Sony warranty
Yeah, I wondered about that (confused) Anyway you'll have another chance and cheaper if you wait long enough, by which time there'll be something better on the market :D
Well they're both in Ilford... I suppose I didn't want it that badly if I didn't get it!
Shame, these £899 deals seem to only last a day or two, RGB Direct put their prices back up too by the look of it. Probably the same company (ninja)
Posted 25th Dec 2019Posted 25th Dec 2019
Sony Bravia KD65XF9005 LED HDR 4K TV + 5 Year Warranty + 2 Free 4K Movies via Google Play - £949 delivered @ Hughes£949Hughes Deals
Took the wife to Currys today and she liked the Sony XF9005. She didn't like the Samsung as it was silver! I had already removed the LG from my choice even though I have had their TVs for the last 12 years. I haven't forgiven them for advertising my 50LB650V as having "LG's unique IPS panel". Mine doesn't and it has a VA panel by AU Optronics. Nothing wrong with the panel to be fair and I could possibly find the same manufacturer's panel in the Sony.
Thanks everyone for your input and putting some content on a usb drive is an excellent idea. I think I have decided on the Sony. I haven't owned a Sony before so sometimes nice to try something else.
Stick some content on a USB drive and plug it in when there. I went to curry's and they had some HD material for me to test also. Were more than happy to play content for me rather than the demo loops. Sadly they have no 65inch in stock. Also the UI seemed fine to me. Also viewing angles were OK also for visiting guests lol.
Lol I would definitely not use which magazine for a point of reference when it comes to AV tech. In terms of PQ the Sony of the 3 is superior.
Thanks for your reply. I had a look on ratings.com and they scored the Sony the highest and actually said it was better than the Samsung. Makes you want to question how Which can score them so differently and someone else who had purchased the LG based on Which review also questioned the light bleed and HDR quality. I will go have a look in Currys but sadly they do not stock the 8600 and all of their TVs are set up on their HDMI loop to show the quality of 4k when in reality I want to see how they perform in SD and HD
Posted 21st Dec 2019Posted 21st Dec 2019
Humax DTRT2000 500GB YouView HD TV Recorder £76.50 or 1TB for £84.15 @ ebay / hughesdirect£76.50eBay Deals
Thanks for the update and glad you're pleased. I use a harmony 600 remote so don't have that niggle :) My only issue is why it takes three clicks to get to My TV recordings. Guide has its only button on the remote so shouldn't be the first selection option. Decent forum here https://community.youview.com/youview/categories Im tempted to get one as a backup should my one in use fail
Well, my DTR-T2100 has been plugged in for all of 20 minutes, and so far the only niggle I've got is training my fingers not to hit the 'Back' button on the remote, right under the 'down arrow'. Otherwise it's a night and day difference... so much faster in every way than the FVP-4000T! Thanks yet again for the recommendation. Even iPlayer works much faster, despite the fact the ethernet's running through a wi-fi extender, not properly hard-wired to the router. The more I think about this, the more frustrated I get. The 4000T is a great box, and I'll probably miss the third tuner more often than I should, but whoever poured treacle into the user interface did it no favours whatsoever. Of course I'm probably maligning a team of software writers who sweated blood to make a fundamentally flawed design even vaguely useable. :-)
Like Greta Thunberg, claims she's saving the planet on a diesel powered boat, lies about over crowded trains when she had a first class ticket. That kind of thing (lol)
Get the bt dtr-t2100 500gb instead from cex. Much better box, Amazon prime works, 2 year warranty and cheaper
The Amazon Prime app isn't available on the DTRT2000 at the moment. https://www.youview.com/entertainment/ says its only available on selected BT Youview boxes. Is this going to be a temporary glitch or is it long term?
Posted 19th Dec 2019Posted 19th Dec 2019
Sony Bravia KD55XF9005 LED HDR 4K Ultra HD Smart Android TV, 55" with Freeview HD Free 5 Year Guarantee £739 with code @ Ebay Hughes£739£7998% offeBay Deals
Very good deal indeed. I have the XE9005, which I think is 99.9% the same as this and it was £1200 new in 2018 and refurbs sold recently were £800. Picture quality is excellent. I would not even hesitate at this price.
This code can’t be applied to your order it says. Voted hot anyway!
Rather strangely it claims the panel is 50Hzrather than 120Hz..
Wow that's an awesome price for this.... Must resist... Quick, someone tell me about how its stuck on a certain version of android!
Heat added. A very decent price for a very good TV. Not sure how much lower it can go if looking back at previous price drops on previous models.
Posted 17th Dec 2019Posted 17th Dec 2019
Sony Bravia KD65XG9505 (2019) LED HDR 4K Ultra HD Smart Android TV, 65" with Freeview HD & Youview, Black £1399 John Lewis & Partners£1,399£1,4997% offJohn Lewis Deals
Sony’s XG95 4K Ultra HD TV combines class-leading picture quality, immersive sound, and Android smart technology. With a Full-Array LED Backlight, cinematic contrast means bright s… Read more
Would get this but for the lack of HDMI 2.1. Bring on 2020 for the selection there to widen a bit!
From what I hear it's similar to the XF9005, which I own. It is noticeable at first and a bit distracting, but I've found it's one of those things that you get used to and don't really notice after a while.
How do you find blooming ? I heard there's an issue with blooming on black bars. I have a q9fn but it's riddled with issues and now looking to get a replacement.
Can be had from Richer Sounds at the same price after applying £100 off voucher code XMAS100
Subjective if colours are better or not, definitely brighter than an oled so arguably more impact. But the pure blacks make colours and whites stand out on an oled just as much.
Posted 16th Dec 2019Posted 16th Dec 2019
SONY BRAVIA KD55XG9505BU 55" 4K UHD HDR SMART ANDROID TV YOUVIEW £899 @ Appliance Electronics£899£99810% offAppliance Electronics Deals
Cheapest I've seen this. Fantastic TV for the money! Sony Bravia KD-55XG9505 X1 Ultimate for powerful picture processing At the heart of this 55 inch Sony TV lies their flagshi… Read more
No idea not a gamer but oled are good gaming TVs apparently. www.rtings.com will give you lots of information.
Is there a code, or was it a short term deal? Links to £999 now :(
How about gaming? Is there any lag on OLED?
I was scared as well and very tempted with Qled or Sony, but kept getting drawn back to oled. Was going to wait for 48 inch oled next year but fell for a great deal on my E9 in Crampton and Moore. With the burn in tests to review and real world usage of 3 year old panel not saying burn is a risk and the new screen technology I took the plunge. HD and 4k is amazing.
Posted 28th Nov 2019Posted 28th Nov 2019
Sony Bravia KD65XF9005 65'' 4K Ultra HD HDR Full Array LED Smart Android TV + 6 Year Warranty £1049 with code @ Richersounds£1,049£1,29919% offRicher Sounds Deals
Pros: Nice sharp, bright, colour rich picture, good motion performance, decent black levels viewed dead on and hassle free ability to install 3rd party apps via USB that are not on Google Play Store. Cons: Android OS with freezes, occasional crashes, occasional pixelated broken onscreen menus, etc. Some blooming and clouding. Updates which solve some issues and introduce others. Some loss of contrast and colour by off centre viewing. Personally speaking a £1000 plus TV shouldn't have these faults. Sony needs to invest in it's own OS.
Just bought from curries - £1099 but 15% top cash back at the mo = £934. 5 year warranty + a google mini (v2) with 6 months Spotify for an extra £10. Weird extra but gladly take it.
Bought this in may for 1199. Really impressed with the TV. Don't find it slow at all but then I had a Sony before too! This is a great price
Code worked fine for me. Been hoping this would be on offer on Black Friday (highfive) Edit: I ordered before lunchtime today.
Code doesn't work.
Posted 13th Nov 2019Posted 13th Nov 2019
Sony Bravia (2019) KD55XG9505 LED HDR 4K Ultra HD Smart Android TV, 55" with Freeview HD & Youview £999 John Lewis & Partners£999John Lewis Deals
Great saving, seeing as the 2018 model is in a similar price bracket and the next cheapest deal I could see was £1260 See webpage for more details. Sony’s XG95 4K Ultra HD TV com… Read more
just a heads uo TPS does this for £995 incl deliverey +Tv bracket/and fixing + 7 years warranty+ netflix free for 6 months Sony KD55XG9505BU 55-inch 4K HDR LED TV. perhaps it warrants a separate deal posting.its impressive enough p.s: those who cn collect from store can claim a £30 discount making it £965
I've got it from Currys and compared all the TV's picture and colours and this one was just better than all the others and I went in with the idea not to spend more than 700£.
Come back when you have 8,200,000 FALD zones Sony.
It's also twice the price and has loads of blooming thrown in for good measure. Same price at Richer sounds with 6 year warranty :) and has the option of 18 months interest free credit.
Anyone complaining about laggy software - simply disable youview.
Posted 12th Nov 2019Posted 12th Nov 2019
Sony Bravia KD55AG8 (2019) OLED HDR 4K Ultra HD Smart Android TV, 55" with Freeview HD, Youview, 5 Year Guarantee £1,219 at Hughes£1,219£1,2996% offHughes Deals
As it's an LG panel, motion won't be a problem as long as you turn all of the motion processing settings off. The Gadget show gave exactly the same advice when reviewing 3 OLED's about a year ago. I have no complaints when watching Football or F1 on my LG C6.
But doesn't this one run on Android, meaning it probably will be supported? I don't know how these things work, but to me Android OS on a TV seems like a bigger draw than something like LG's Web OS (which at 5 years old has started dropping apps).
I'm tempted, anyone know if footie is any good on this set? I've had a demo of the sound from it, which was excellent but not seen sports on it.
I won't by Sony TV's or anything anymore, the last 3D Smart one I bought they rolled out next to no firmware updates or bug fixes, they then dropped some of the TVs core smart features and services that the TV used simply because they couldn't be arsed to update or maintain them. So you ended up paying for something just to have them remove it. Sony have a habit of doing things like that, they did the same with my PS3 back in the day. I wanted a console, Sony released the PS3 with yellow dog linux and backwards compatibility, which were the deciding features for me when it came to choosing between the PS3 and 360 other than bluray player. I bought my PS3 only to have Sony remove the Linux feature because a child managed to jailbreak their console via a vulnerability which they left in their software; their solution wasn't to fix it and offer decent regular updates, instead they effectively told their customer if you still want LINUX don't update your console anymore but if you don't update your console you can no longer use PSN to play online with your mates. WTF lol Funnily enough they dropped PS2 (software) backwards compatibility too back then.. (skeptical) I don't buy Sony anymore (y)