Chatgpt 4 - coders on dole?

Posted 24th Mar 2023
So what impact is this step change in technology going to have?

If it can write code, create illustrations, write stories, what will people in the knowledge industry do?

Mass unemployment and hunger games?
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  1. abigsmurf's avatar
    abigsmurf
    It can absolutely help you with algorithms. Just today I had a regex issue and by describing the match conditions it managed to draw up an algorithm that breezed through a fairly exhaustive set of unit tests.

    I can also see AI reducing the amount of grunt work that comes with developing.

    Point an AI at a set of database tables and ask it to generate add/edit/delete admin screens for them? I think it's definitely something it could do. Even more Ajax-y things like getting it to autopopulate a "country/state" dropdown using your state table, based on what the user selects from the "country" drop down.

    A set of screens that could take a week to code by hand could be done with 30 minutes of natural language description and maybe another hour of being more specific describing of elements with only minimal tweaks to the code.
  2. neversay's avatar
    neversay
    The impact will be profound and this is just the beginning. Some of those dismissing it here sound like the mathematicians at the advent of the calculator. The power will shift to those who can leverage the technology to best effect. For that, it's all about the problem context and knowing which tasks can the human do best and which the can the human do faster with the aid of AI. That will be the new skill.
  3. EndlessWaves's avatar
    EndlessWaves
    It's just a tool to increase productivity. It's no different from the way high level languages and libraries vastly reduced the number of hours needed to write the same code.

    Such tools typically also create jobs by enabling new products that took too much labour previously to be viable on a large scale. It doesn't seem at all implausible that the programming industry employs more people than it would if everything was being written in assembly and took much more effort to write.

    So it'll certainly bring change and mass redundancies, but long term mass unemployment seems pretty unlikely at the moment.
  4. siliconbits's avatar
    siliconbits
    A new version of chatgpt will come out every 600 days. In 10 years god knows where we will be. Sheer fact that we are talking about this now in 2023 is fascinating. Singularity point people.
  5. harrythefish's avatar
    harrythefish
    There is a lengthy YouTube interview with the CEO of OpenAI whose project ChatGPT was. I'm about 2/3 the way through. Very detailed and covering all the questions you could think of.

    'Make money with AI' was talked about, using the more capable GPT4. First of all you have to have a sound business idea with a service behind it that's not easily copied by someone else using GPT. What the AI can do for you (and demos already exist) is spin up the website content, saving a huge amount on coding and artwork costs. You still need to steer it carefully and guide the content. The next stage, coming 'real soon now' will be that workflows and transaction systems can also be spun up by AI. For example, the OpenAI team experimented with giving an in-house Beta of GPT a budget to do things like trade stocks and buy services with, using its immense knowledge model to target eventual profit.

    So I'm expecting an explosion of lookalike low value/spammy/fraudulent (but highly plausible looking) sites and businesses to appear overnight once GPT4 and later versions get into their stride.

    People with a proper business plan with a real back-end service to offer however, will be able to cut the cost and supercharge the implementation speed of their projects.

    Meanwhile I'm trying Bing's AI image generation out, my avatar was AI generated based on text prompt. Bing image generation is overloaded for high-resolution images atm and just hangs , but it created a pixel art one quickly for me. (edited)
  6. harrythefish's avatar
    harrythefish
    Anyone here been watching 'get rich quick with ChatGPT' videos on YouTube? Thought so. (edited)
  7. darthvader666uk's avatar
    darthvader666uk
    Well as a software developer and trying to use this for coding, we are pretty safe

    Maybe because of what I do etc. but it hasn't come up with a solution to my problems. However, it can annotate code pretty decently, so its not a bad assistant so far especially if your in an area of code you never worked on before and surprise, there are no notes.

    I can defo see it being use for media such as reviews etc. as it can bring back some goods stuff

    With MS integrating it into bing (Bing GPT via Edge) it cane bring back some really accurate info.
    Bard from google will need some learnign but that seems pretty interesting too.
    But we shall see, Never say never
    bigpappa's avatar
    bigpappa Author
    But can you improve as fast as these models?
    They are only going to get better with time at a rate faster than humans will.

    I am fascinated what impact it will have, it will affect many knowledge based industries.
  8. RealOldMonk's avatar
    RealOldMonk
    AI is not yet at the stage where it can remove human factor, as of now it can only complement it.

    Far from causing any threat to jobs yet.
  9. VeganPolice's avatar
    VeganPolice
    They're always going to need someone to create the actual bugs.

    Can you imagine AI that could come up with the font choice and comment functionality on this site - that would be impressive.
  10. Stormbringer2012's avatar
    Stormbringer2012
    I am not competent on any coding etc, but I have been watching youtube videos at the moment and the AI models seem quite good if you give them enough data to help with story writing and also using MidJourney V5 to create art.
    The graphics capabilities of Midjourney in only a few months from V4 to V5 at astounding.
    V4 your used keywords to help build your pictures, now in V5 you speak like normal telling it what you want and people are using ChatGPT to get it to create the language to input into Midjourney, the pictures it creates are as good as photographs.
    You do need lots of training to get it right and I am nowhere at that level but graphics illustrators should be worried also.
  11. slimy31's avatar
    slimy31
    The one thing I've picked up from chatgpt is the sheer volume of really poor quality articles. Now if I search for things like 'best DVD player', I now get generic web pages that waffle on about what DVD is, what bluray is, all that garbage. It's basically recycled from everywhere else, and has zero value. And you can tell that it's written by chatGPT, the style and content of chatGPT sticks out like a sore thumb.

    The same applies to stories, the few examples I've seen are little more than pulp fiction that no-one would actually pay for. Don't even get me started on the 'music'. For code, yes it does make certain tasks quicker, but you still have to be very specific about what you want and be prepared for really poor quality code that needs a lot of rework to be usable. I'm not expecting the next Skyrim to be written from chatGPT.
    EndlessWaves's avatar
    EndlessWaves
    Nah, those articles have been around for years and are largely written by humans. They're so bad because they're search engine bait to get the site high up in the traffic rankings and are written by SEO experts rather than people who have knowledge of the subject.
  12. ezra.poundland's avatar
    ezra.poundland
    Damn thing couldnt tell me what the first song is on the movie Three Day Millionaire lol.
    Mclwrth's avatar
    Mclwrth
    I asked it to condense a complaint to YouTube so that it would fit within their 80 character limit. It basically said it wasn't possible and declined. I managed to do it. Sometimes only a human will do.
  13. GlentoranMark's avatar
    GlentoranMark
    I'm a hobbyist Android developer and I was trying to fit a GridView exactly into a LinearLayout using this last night. I'm thinking about a 8x8 chess board but with user settings that can be changed to 4x4, 8 x 16 ect. I asked "Hi, In android studio, I have a black_square.xml and I'm trying to put it into a Gridview of x rows and y columns so it takes up the width and height of a LinearLayout. Can you show me some code on how to do this programmatically so I can adjust x and y?"

    GPT4 set the GridView up OK but it couldn't fit it exactly into the LinearLayout, no matter how I phrased each follow up question.

    I was impressed for simple answers but for complex, specific issues, I'd say it will do no better than StackOverflow which I think is where I'll have to go to get this answered. In fairness, it gave me an AHA moment in coding to do with using Custom Adapters.
  14. EN1GMA's avatar
    EN1GMA
    I for one can't wait. As a first iteration, it's pretty good.
    siliconbits's avatar
    siliconbits
    It's gpt4. There has been a few of them before.
  15. bozo007's avatar
    bozo007
    I am going to give Bard a spin this weekend, got the invite from Google.

    As for people losing jobs, I doubt it. We will adapt and AI will open up options that may not exist right now. Same as horse carriage drivers - where did they disappear? I am myself doing a job that didn't exist when I finished uni, in a industry that didn't even have a name then.
  16. m4rmite's avatar
    m4rmite
    Hopefully it will help bring the bloated file sizes down in games etc.
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